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FROM THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SUPERMAN FREAK
Subject: Superman
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002
From: Kim Torraco

Yo Yo!!
Hello, my name is Kimberly Torraco and I am the worlds biggest Superman freak, and I just wanted to say that when I got on your wedsit and read all the superman-Christ related stuff, it encouraged me. It was also great to see a website dig and find out how things were originally made. Praise God for you guys and may He bless you beyond description.
In Christ,
Kim Torraco~Superman

Response: Thanks -David

SEEING JESUS LIKE SIMILARITIES IN SUPERMAN
Subject: Superman
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002
From: Lois

I have been a Superman fan for many years, and a Christian all of my life. I don't have a problem with biblical comparisons. I think that true fans of the "Man of steel", will see an almost Christ like similarity in Kal-el. Some more than others, but as with religion itself, we all have our own take on things. No matter what faith we are.

For me, Superman is the perfect man. His pure heart, and gentle strength is comforting. He is there if you call out his name, and his power is never used for vengeance. We are all suppose to strive to be more like Christ. What is wrong with seeing the Good in Superman? The world would be a better place if we spent more time looking for the positive message in things.

In closing, let me say that I don't agree with the comment that Superman is the anti christ. Get real. And the comment that "Smallville" has bad acting is so off base. The latest portrayal of Clark is a wonderful, and refreshing look at a special young man who discovers his purpose in the world. It is set in modern times to attract a younger audience. But it appeals to all generations. I personally love the show, and find "Tom Welling" the perfect young Clark Kent.

Response: I agree with you. -David

WHOA
Subject: Superman
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001
From: "Utley Christopher M"

When I bought the DVD earlier this year, the Holy Spirit kept flashing Jesus Christ in my soul and spirit as I watched the film. (to the holy rollers who question me, shut up! Romans 1 clearly states that the mystery of God is made known to all men. in this day and time, He reveals Himself in films...not that Meggido/Left Behind nonsense but in classics like Superman and Ben Hur. so there!) Your discourse on Superman has now got me eager to reanalyze the Christ allegory which is ALL OVER this film. Great Great Commentary. You have sown a seed that will cause the world to understand Christ better...and they'll give Him a chance!
Chris Utley

LEX LUTHER'S HIDEOUT
Subject: Superman
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001
From: Trish

Yes, um, I'm honestly not the most religious creature, so be gentle with me. You said that Lex Luthor's hideout was symbolic of hell, and that that's an error people make. I'm not quite sure what I'm getting wrong, that Satan's never in hell, or that hell isn't underground or what? Any help would be appreciated.
Trish

Response: Yes, you are very right. Hell is not underground. Satan is not in Hell. These are popular myths. But they are the common mind of culture. And that is what the myth of Superman is based on. Most Christians believe that Satan operates out of hell, by the way, with some scripture support in 2 Peter 2:4. I would recommend a good study in mythology to you. You speak to people within their myths, not out side of them, just as Jude did (Jude 1: 9 and 14f), and as Paul did (Acts 17:16-34). -David

SMALLVILLE
Subject: RE: Superman site
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001
From: "Joe

David, Hello. Congratulations on a coherent analysis of the Superman hero myth. I wrote an undergraduate term paper on the subject for my Myth and Symbolism class (yes, yes, philosophy major--insert joke here) but hadn't seen anyone else's take on the matter. I imagine you've seen the "Smallville" series; despite the horrific acting, at least the writers did well enough to have Kent tied to cross in a desolate cornfield. Perhaps the show has hope yet. Take care and thank you, Joe

SMALLVILLE TV SERIES PREMIER
Subject: Superman
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001
From: Kathy V

Hi! Are there any plans to discuss the new TV series, "Smallville", which focuses on Superman's life during high school? I watched the premier last night and the scene where he is strung up like a scarecrow was so MUCH a "crucifixion" scene that I finally had to accept your Superman/Jesus interpretation!
Kathy V

NOTICING THE OBVIOUS
Subject: Superman
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001
From: "mworkhoven"

Dear Superman/Jesus site, For years now I have been telling my Christian friends that Superman is a fictional re-telling of the greatest story ever told, and they've been telling me I'm nuts. I'm glad I'm not the only one out there who has notice the similarity. In fact, in the DVD release of "Superman, The Movie" it's revealed that the studio noticed it too, and wanted the filmmakers to tone down the religious symbolism. But the filmmakers got their way. When Jor-El says, "They (The human race) can be a great people, they wish to be.....they only need a light to show them the way. And so I will send them you, my only son....." I can't believe more people didn't notice the obvious reference, there.
Mark Workhoven Portland, OR

JEWISH HERO?
Subject: superman isn't a jewish hero
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001
From: matt

this is the most retarded thing i've ever read. superman isn't a jewish hero if he's compared to Christ. Christ was killed by jews and romans on the cross. thus creating a new religion often referred to as Christianity. Duh.

Response: Mario Puzo has a Catholic background. All legends have an evolution. What is your point?

SUPERMAN IS NOT CHRIST, BUT ANTICHRIST
Subject: Superman
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001
From: Chris

I am very thankful for your site, because you have -- however unwittingly -- exposed a devilish deception. Obviously, I disagree with your conclusions about Superman being a type of Jesus Christ -- especially in the 1978 film, and I will tell you why. To understand this argument, you must understand Isaiah 14:12-15. This passage states: "How are thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ... For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into Heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH." The key is in the final words: "I (Lucifer) will be like the Most High." Satan spends most of his time imitating the things of God -- counterfeiting them, if you will. If you study Satan's titles in the Bible, you will see that this is so. He is called the "Anointed Cherub," in Ezekiel 28:14. The word "Anointed" means "Christ." Satan is literally the "Christ Cherub." This may also be a reference to his position as Anti-Christ. The Greek word "anti" has two meanings: it means "against," and it also means "instead of" or "another." Therefore, the anti-Christ is "another" Christ. There is a man who currenly bears this title. The Latin equivalent of "anti" is "vicarius." One of the Pope's titles is Vicarius Christi, the Vicar of Christ. If you handed this title to a Greek translator, he would hand you back the word "Antichrist." This is not slander, but is a simple fact -- which might be pertinent when you consider that Mario Puzo (one of the writers for the film) is a Roman Catholic. (Response: So, what you are saying is: because the Pope is "antichrist" it follows that Superman is also because writer Mario Puzo is Catholic. Hmm. You need to know that Catholics are not anti-Christ. In fact, they are pro-Christ)

I find it also curious that Richard Donner (the director) had just finished working on "The Omen," a horror film (however inaccurate) about the Antichrist. (Yes, but the film was against the Antichrist, and was very pro-Christ. You are making a case by mere appearances). Are these both coincidences? Maybe. But then another interesting detail comes up: the film is given a favorable review from Communist China. Why? Since when does it matter what China thinks about a film? But this review somehow makes it to a place of recognition. China outlaws the Bible, except for the government "edited and approved" versions, and is one of the greatest persecutors of Christian martyrs in the world. If you do your homework, you will learn that Communism was bankrolled by the Vatican at its beginnings, and continues to be manipulated from Rome. I believe it is no accident that the godless Chinese government gave a favorable review to the anti-Christ rendition of the Gospel story. Check it out. (Holy cow! You do hate Catholics! You are accussing them of controlling communism and killing Christians! I think your argument of Superman being Antichrist has fallen. You are losing credibility)

Now let's talk about some of the symbolism in the movie. You've written about how "... the father becomes the son, and the son the father," concerning the relationship of Superman with his father. This is a curious detail if you have studied the occult. In the Babylonian Mystery Religion, this is basically a description of the relationship between Nimrod (the father) and Tammuz (his son). According to the legend, Nimrod was the king of Babylon (he also built the tower of Babel, upon which Babylon was built), and he was married to Semiramis. To make a long story short, Nimrod was killed and some time after, Semiramis bore a son -- all the while insisting that she was a virgin. She named the child Tammuz and claimed that he was the reincarnation of Nimrod. Some versions of this story even claim that Tammuz went on to marry his mother, symbolizing that "the father becomes the son, and the son the father." These were the early attempts of Satan counterfeiting the things of God, by creating a false Trinity. If you read the book, "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop, (a very hate filled book against the Catholics -filled with inaccuracies, as you are) you will learn that this basic Trinity doctrine was carried to Egypt where it became the story of Osiris, Isis, and Horus. It also went to many other parts of the world, and reached its climax in Rome. When Constantine the Great overtook the Roman empire and declared Christianity to be an official religion, the pagans came into the church, and gave their pagan gods "Christian" titles. Will Durant in his "Story of Civilization" writes: "An intimate and trustful worship of saints replaced the cult of pagan gods ... Statues of Isis and Horus were renamed Mary and Jesus ..." Other sources go on to reveal that the famous statue of St. Peter is a revised version of the ancient god, Jupiter, and it goes on and on. This is significant when you consider the Vatican's potential involvement in this film. The Babylonian Mysteries are the foundation of the Roman Catholic faith. (OK, Let me get this straight. You say, the Vatican was involved in making Superman? I must tell you that your credibility is sinking even more than it was)

Why does Clark Kent (in disguise) work for a newspaper? Perhaps because the Vatican controls the media and the American press? (What? Oh my gosh. The Vatican controls the American media? I think you have totally bottomed out now) This may be a reflection of how Vatican agents work within the confines of a free society to manipulate the information system, which has not been a "free press" for at least a hundred years. You can quickly check out William Randolph Hearst, (who was supposedly paid $400,000 a year by Adolf Hitler to print favorable articles about Germany and the Nazis just before the war), and quickly realize that the papers were deceptively controlling the thoughts of the people. Hitler himself was supported by the Vatican -- the Jesuits in particular -- which is supported by many books (hate books, you mean) -- some of the best are from Dave Hunt, and Avro Manhattan. For more info. you might read "Vatican Assassins" by Eric Jon Phelps (a hate book). If you read "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" by former Catholic priest, Charles Chiniquy, you will learn that the Vatican was controlling American newspapers even in the days of Abraham Lincoln.

"Eve saves Superman." Isn't this interesting. Eve it was who was deceived by the Serpent in the garden of Eden. It was Eve who gave the forbidden fruit to her husband (Adam) and helped to bring about the curse upon humanity. Eve is glorified among Mormons for leading mankind toward the knowledge of good and evil, which this cult believes is the path to salvation. I am certainly not against this woman, who is called "the mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20) -- but do not mistake the placement of her name in this story. (Eve in the film is a type of Mary of Magdeline, a sinner, not a saint. Please view the film again).

Next, to solve the great problem of "death," Superman turns things backwards. This is a very telling statement if you study the writings of Aleister Crowley -- a famed Satanist, and master of the occult. Crowley taught the "backwards" system of Satanic worship. He taught that Satanists should write backwards, talk backwards, and even walk backwards. When the Satanic church holds a black mass, they say the "Our Father" prayer of Jesus backwards. This is why so many rock bands write their names backwards on their album covers, and even recorded satanic messages backwards on the records themselves. So now, the movie Superman tells us that the path to life is to turn things backwards. Coincidence? Furthermore, according to the Bible, the Antichrist will "... think to change the times and the laws ..." (Daniel 7:25) If you compare this with Daniel 2:21, where the prophet says of God, that He: "... changeth the times and the seasons," you will see that -- once again -- Satan is seeking to "be like" God. (Oh my, Satanist walk backwards and talk backwards? Come on! Get real. This is so much nonsense aimed at the so called back masking dangers of pop music. This is anti-Rock and Roll rubbish)

Perhaps the most obvious Antichrist reference is the title of the character himself: Superman. Adolf Hitler referred to him as the "Ubermensch" -- the Superman, the Elite of the Race, the Lord of the Earth. This was taken from Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra" where he wrote: "Behold I teach you the Superman. The Superman is the meaning of the Earth. Let your will say: the Superman shall be the meaning of the Earth. I beseech you, brothers, remain faithful to the earht, and do not believe those who speak to you of unworldly hopes ..." Nietzche was also an adamant hater of Christianity, saying, "I condemn Christianity" in his work "The Antichrist." Trevor Ravenscroft, in his book "The Spear of Destiny" gives us a bizarre quote from Adolf Hitler in his adoration of the Superman, recorded from "Hitler Speaks," by Hermann Rauschning. This is how it reads:

"The air became stifling so that I could barely breathe. The noisy scene of the Treasure House seemed to melt away before my eyes. I stood alone and trembling before the hovering form of the Superman (Ubermensch) -- a Spirit sublime and fearful, a countenance intrepid and cruel. In holy awe, I offered my soul as a vessel of his will." (Superman has Jewish roots. Not Nazi roots. You are an amazingly hate-filled person. I think you may be dangerous. You seem to hate Catholics, Mormons, rock artists, and New Agers. Hate is not good my misguided friend)

The New Age Movement is the strongest promoter of the New Age Superman, the Cosmic Christ, and sometimes called "Lord Maitreya" in occult circles. The real clincher comes when you learn that the "Father of the New Age" is a Jesuit priest named Teilhard Chardin. When Marilyn Ferguson wrote her famous book, "The Aquarian Conspiracy," Teilhard Chardin was the name most frequently mentioned by 185 leaders in the New Age movement when asked who the most influential person in their lives was. Chardin was treated as an apostate by the Vatican in his lifetime, but "returned to the good graces of Rome 26 years after his death." Why is this significant? Because it shows the Vatican influence behind the New Age movement. Jesuits don't get kicked out of the Catholic faith -- they're the ones running the show. It's no accident that Teilhard Chardin was "returned" to good graces after his death. (So, let me get this straight. You are saying that the Vatican is responsible for Communism, Adolph Hitler, and the New Age movement? You are dangerous)

If you love God, and our Lord Jesus Christ, then learn all that you can in these treacherous times. Remember that the Lord has told us: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." (Hosea 3:6). The apostle Paul also warned the Church of receiving "another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4) -- and so we ought to be careful what manner of gospel is presented to us. We ought to be very careful about a Jesus that is loved by the world. Why? Because Jesus told us clearly that the world hates Him, (John 7:7) and so it is not likely that the world will in any way present a favorable version of His story. The versions of Jesus' story in the media, and entertainment industry are more and more corrupt every year. Read the Bible. And if you really want to know the truth, do some homework and find out which Bible you ought to read. Jesus sent his disciples out as sheep among wolves. He warned us to be as harmless as doves, and wary as serpents. We are to take heed that no man deceives us by any means. I would hearken all believers to the first passages of the Book of Jude, where he compels the church to "earnestly contend" for the faith. He gives this exhortation under the compulsion of the Holy Spirit, for the Church to withstand the false teachers who have "crept in unawares." (So the true test of being a Christian is to think like you? To hate like you? To use the Bible to justify hate, as you do? You are a very sick indidvidual. Please stay away from weapons. You can not be trusted)

May God our Father guide all those who seek and earnestly desire to know the Truth.
Peace in Jesus, Chris

Response: I do not believe in your type of "Jesus." Your hate filled Jesus is of your own making and imagination. Please get some serious help, before you hurt someone. I pray you do not own a gun and that there are no Catholics living near you. -David

JEWISH GUYS
Subject: Superman
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001
From: Roger

While at times I'm not really sure if the whole web page isn't tongue-in-cheek (e.g. "Krypton sounds like Tikkum olam") most of your arguments are actually quite compelling. But why would two nice Jewish boys invent a hero who is Christ-like? Were S&S Jews For Jesus, perhaps, or do you think that they didn't realize the parallels themselves, and that somehow God intervened? Either way, I'm telling all my friends about your site. Thanks!

Response: It was Mario Puzo, the Catholic, that wrote the movie and not the Jewish guys. And thanks for the kind words. -David

SUPERMAN CAST
Subject: Superman
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001
From: "authorNYSE"

I heard through grapevine that a bird has been seen resting upon that the Superman cast is finally seeing a few suggestions that really are becoming undisputed, peep.....

Liev Schreiber as "Superman / Clark Kent"

Angie Harman as "Lois Lane"

Vincent D'Onofrio as "Lex Luthor"

Where can I buy my mutha@#$%^&*in' TICKET !!!

WHAT A CAST !!!!!!

authorNYSE
author@authorNYSE.com

LET ME PLANT A SEED
Subject: Superman
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001
From: A believer.

I don't believe putting Jesus and Superman in the same category is a good comparison. You see Jesus is real and really made--makes--a difference in peoples lives, superman was fake and well that's all I have to say about that. Hollywood is not real... but we'll see in the end, or should I say the beginning.
Sincerely, A believer.

Response: And your point is? You bring nothing new to the table. We all agree that Jesus is a historical person and that Superman is comic book fiction. Is it that you are uncomfortable in your inner most being due to some insecurity? If so, I understand. God bless you. -David

PROPHETIC MOMENT
Subject: never would have thought. Superman
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001
From: "Christ Church Dingley"

l will once again watch the epic film `Superman', and watch it with what l have read as a source for interpreting the actions of Clark and Superman in a different light. The writers of the film have truely captured this most wonderful person of Jesus and introduced, with some depth l might add, the theologies surrounding the placement of the fully divine full human person of God. The most powerful saviour. The only question l have is: like Larry Norman's great seventies song, we do see that the son from Krypton (AKA Clark) was not the only one from heaven; as it is depicted. The question of how many saviours and how many other `worlds'. Remembering that space is space. where to next for the mind of a human being? Should we approach with much care the possibility that Superman was in fact the greatest prophetic moment of modern time.

NOTICED MANY SYMBOLIZATIONS
Subject: Superman
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001
From: Costi

When I first saw this movie I thought of it nothing more then just another superman movie. But then I looked deeper into it and checked on the net for some reviews on it and went and watched it again. after viewing it a second time I noticed many symbolizations. After finding that the makers of superman were Jewish and that he was created at the time of Hitler I think that superman was made as a Jesus type figure. here on earth to save the innocent and destroy the bad. Lex Luther, who is symbolized as Satan is the evil side. trying to destroy this hero who has came to earth, he lives underground which is hell and offers superman this world and tempts him just as Satan tempted Jesus. superman's parents Jarel and Kalel are symbolized as the father who has sent his son to earth. Clark Kent's parents are symbolized as Mary and Joseph who are given this responsibility to take care of him. when Lex Luther puts the kryptonite around his neck that symbolizes the death and the cross. Lois is sort of peter the disciple figure as she is taken for a fly and stumbles as did peter when he walked on water. the earthquake is a symbol of end times. and Lois dies and he goes back in time and saves her. that is the resurrection. in many or all of superman's rescues and "miracles" he ascend to the heavens leaving the people on the earth to spread the word of his power and ability to save. similar to our responsibility as Christians to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to all the earth.
Costi

SUPERMAN IS JESUS
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001
From: "Pete Carrubba"

Hi I always saw the character of Superman as Jesus in disguise. I have a Christian friend who does not believe this, but you have illustrated it most convincingly. I'd love to see your article expanded to a video presentation, using some of the film versions of the life of Christ to punctuate that Superman is actually Jesus, and not just in Superman, The Movie. Even with his recent comic adventures, he died saving mankind from an evil that threatened to end life on Earth, and literally rose from the dead. I also saw a lot of parallels between the 1978 Superman and Disney's Hercules. Thankfully, I don't think there's going to be a "Church of Superman," "Supermanians," or "Latter Day Superheroes" wearing the Superman "S" as their symbol instead of a cross. Seeing this as a retelling of the story of Jesus, one can understand the difficulty in trying to create a worthy sequel without rehashing or repeating oneself. There is no real sequel to the New Testament, so the source material has to be original, and anyone who sees current Hollywood fare knows that originality is a rare commodity.
Pete Carrubba

GREAT
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001
From: Randy

great analogy

MIND BLOWING
Subject: your web site

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001
From: Brian of Worcester, Ma

This web-site is one of the best i've ever seen. you found connections that i would never have found. for some time i have been reading the second series of comics looking for the Superman/Jesus connection but this page was absolutly mind blowing.
Brian of Worcester, Ma

SUPERMAN MYTHOS SIMILAR TO HERCULES MYTHOS
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:49:11 -0500
From: Samuel Ewing SARASWATI@prodigy.net

Hello,
I really enjoy your insight into the symbolism between Superman and Jesus. I would like to add that there are also parallels between Hercules, Superman, and Jesus as well; the writers of the Superman character were quoted as saying that their heroic figure was based on Hercules as well. Some of the common themes between these characters are

1. They redeem humanity by their actions and redeem themselves at the same time.

2. They experience death and resurrection.

3. They represent the sun and its powers to destroy evil with fire, light, and glory.

4. They perform fantastic feats of strength and healing. Most people aren't aware that Hercules was also renowned as a healer, physician, and his club could either kill or bring people back to life.

5. All three had seemingly divine fathers.

6. All three savior figures had someone analogous to the Holy Spirit. Superman's Kryptonian mother fulfilled this role and Hercules had Athena (Divine Wisdom) with the owl as the zootype. Jesus obviously had the Holy Spirit according to Christian tradition represented by the Dove.

7. Hercules and Jesus were often seen in ancient times as emblems of each other by pagans and Christians of ancient Greece and Rome.

8. All three are "fighting the never- ending battle for truth, justice and righteousness (in Superman's case the American Way)."

9. All three are half human and half divine, what the ancients would call demigods/heroes in the West and avatars in Eastern teachings.

10. All three descended into hell or Tartarus to defeat the hideous forces of evil and death and or to bring the dead back to life.

11. Hercules' lion skin gave him some measure of invulnerability comparable to Superman. There are obvious similarities between Jesus the Lion of Judah and Hercules the Lion of Thebes. The lion is another zootype they share.

12. All three are famed for representing and wielding the powers of fire and light to dispel evil. They have powers over nature such as water, storms etc. *Hercules was famed for being able to find and use water by stamping his feet or asking his father for water. He was associated with creating and dispelling thunderstorms like his father Zeus. There are numerous other parallels but I think these are sufficient.

Supergirl in the comic books and the movie also has striking parallels to the Holy Spirit. The concept of the Holy Spirit was well known by ancient people of various countries as a Female Power of the Supreme Being prior to being officially made into a masculine persona in later history. *I wrote an article about Supergirl showing that She was known in ancient African cultures including Cush and Egypt as the demigoddess named Kara. The American Supergirl named Kara and the most ancient Kara of Africa are strikingly similar and one wonders was African literature the source of DC Comic's information.

Supergirl or Kara is a Female Messiah figure (Female Messiahs were not uncommon in ancient times). In the movie Helen Slater experiences with fighting the Shadow (Biblical Dragon/Satan), traveling through inner space in an egg shaped craft that becomes a flower (the World Egg), her love for nature, using lightning against the Dragon, fighting to save the human male sweetheart, descending into Hell to death then rising with renewed power as if resurrected, Argo city (the Solar Ark of Deity in ancient texts) etc. are all examples of how ancient the Supergirl story is. The main theme of this movie is that Supergirl is pure Love Personified from the decent and human perspective to the cosmic level.

Love is the Supergirl that defeats evil. I've a website devoted to revealing facts about the Hercules Concept that aren't commomly known, the ancient theme of Superman and Supergirl is discussed there too.

The website address is http://pages.prodigy.net/saraswati
and my e-mail address is SARASWATI@prodigy.net

In the website I try to show that the African contributions to these ideas are abundant and how various historical figures tried to emulate these ideas even into present day America. I would appreciate any insights you could give me on this subject. Again, your website is outstanding and is what is needed in these times. Thank You, Sam

SHALOM
Subject: Shalom!
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001
From: Talmid Ben
Organization: MessianicArt.com

Shalom, check out some Superman-Yeshua art God allowed me to create: http://www.MessianicArt.com/Art/digital/prophetvision1a.htm It is Yeshua wearing a Superman suit!
God bless, -- TalmidBenjamin webservant
http://www.MessianicArt.com/

CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A PAGAN RIP OFF.
Subject:
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001
From: Ryan

Hello David- Great site- very interesting approach. I was a little bothered by something you said on the Superman page- about the "many pagan savior gods who died and rose again"(quotes are not your exact words, but meaning I disagree with the notion) I have encountered MANY claims of this, usually from atheists who use these accredited "facts" to show how Christianity is just a pagan rip-off! Interesting that you take the positive approach, as signs from God, perhaps a position derived in part from Romans 1 on "they knew God, but..". I know Augustine and CS Lewis took a similar "positive" view in a sense, and I know they were wise on the subject.

Anyways, perhaps I am attacking a straw-man here, but having read a number of words by apologetics on the whole "Christianity stolen form paganism" theories, I found that many of the case the atheists critics use to compare Christianity are grossly misrepresented- I understand the "Christ-type" work you are doing is meant as a positive work, but the negative argument against Christianity uses the same ideas with different conclusions. My point is that the similarities between Christianity and various paganisms have in many way been grossly exagerrated- if you have the time check out this rather thorough link on the subject. I aprreciate what you do and know you mean well, just think that bland comparisons to the "savior-myth gods" often do more harm to belief in Christ to good- sorry for any rough tones.
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html

Response: Ignorance is not bless. Silence is not a solution. Even the Bible mentions the Dying Rising God Myths. So if God's word is comfortable with it, why should I not be. -David

A JEWISH VIEW
Subject: superman = jesus
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000
From: Igal Gurevich

My comments in grey. -David

you mislead your self and others by compering superman to jesus the creators are jewish . are the converted there jewish religion to christianity ? (I don't think so) Judaism to these how don't know sticking to the old version of the bible , no recognition to jesus at all. (You are so very wrong. The movie was written by Mario Puzo, of Catholic background. But, I understand where you are going -and I like what you are trying to say) I am impressed you found that names of superman and his father were hidden within god's name . Kal = light (opposite of heavy) maybe a hint a bout his flight status el = god jor j=y like Jordan jewish pronounce yarden so if you put y"a"rel only in hebrew you won't see "a" so it's will be yrel will pronounce as yerael means "god fearing" (if you know hebrew it's easy to understand ask the pop) you wrote "tikkum olam" instead "tikun olam" means "mend the world" if you want to find what biblical character describes better superman , try the old testimony . krypton can describes many places like abraham living iraq to the unknown land or israel at Babel exile becoming aliens around the world trying to survive but can't course pieces of kryptonite(roots) on there tail . jewish like superman become acknowledge to there talents that were hidden in there home and many residents of countries want to use them for their own benefits or to destroy them as some would destroy superman . some people blame jewish by possessing good jobs and other thinks . jewish are not to take the blame for that they been blessed by almighty for the unique abilities to get faster in the ladders . but as superman they have one weakness spot , as superman engage with piece of kryptonite , survival from his planet makes him like humans with no power for the jews returning to israel will make them loose these powers these talents( not necessary it's correct ) but sure will loose there ego image . but before people want to get rid of them . think of superman and his contribute to there home . there evil jews too that cause of there evil ways blaming collectively all jews for wrongs as in superman II confronting three from his planet try to defend the earth from these who use there special abilities for evil goals and make look superman real bad intresting poin to add in superman II when three were terrorising and superman were lost his powers people lost there trust to superman only one was still kipping his faith to god and superman "the president of the united states" sounds familiar to what happening now . when Clark kent left his house starts journey to find his origins and some voice start calling him it's has some resembles to what was with mosses . space cradle = mosses in cradle , superman adopted so mosses . conclusion : you find lots of biblical in superman I guess that's what the creators planned. (Exactly)
Igal

Response: Thank you, I appreciate all that you shared. -David

CLARIFICATION
Subject: comments
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000
From: Igal

my comments to you David I was talking a bout Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster . igal

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE
Subject: I KNEW IT!!
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000
From: Chris from Texas

Hi, I KNEW IT ! I KNEW IT ! I KNEW IT! I've been a serious student of God's Word for many years now and I'm total Superman nut (especially the Christopher Reeve version). And having studied the Bible, The Torah, The Apocrypha and The Dead Sea Scrolls I saw this freaky similarity between the Kryptonian names and the various names of Angels (as well as many other Hebrew names). I kept telling people that those guys who created Superman must have been Christians or Jews because of all those "El" names but nobody believed me. But I KNEW IT ALL ALONG! I knew I was right! My wife just had a baby girl (Abagail [named after Mother Abagail from "The Stand"] {Hebrew translation: My Fathers joy}) but before she was born we made a deal about the name of our child. If it was to be a girl then she would get to name her, if it was to be a boy then I would get to name him. And I was either going to name my son "Kal-El" or "Jor-El." My wife hated those names so she's glad it was a girl (LOL). This site is AWESOME!
Chris from Texas

ABOUT SUPERGIRL
Subject: Supergirl
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000
From: "Daniel McKinney" McKinneyd@bsc.net

Right Now,The Salkinds rested The Superman Movies and went on to try "Supergirl" waiting in the wings.In the Supergirl Movie on Christianity is that Superman's Cousin Kara (Played By Helen Slater "12:01","City Slickers") is a Sole Survivor of the Destruction of Planet Krypton lives at Argo City moved to Inner Space (Instead of Outer Space),and She is sent on a Maiden Voyage to Planet Earth By A Scientist name Zaltar (Played By Peter O'Toole) who lost the source? called the "Omegahedron" which flew off to Planet Earth and falls into the hands of a Witch (Played By Faye Dunaway "Albany Allugator","The Chamber") for ruling the Planet Earth with all her magic,and Supergirl has to conquer her, and She disguises herself as a High-School Student as Linda Lee, and Falls in love with The Gardener name Ethan (Played By Hart Bochner "Die Hard".Remember in the Bible Supergirl is like Deborah a Prophetess who led Israel to Victory, That God send a Woman to do a Man's Job.

IN THE COMICS
Subject: Great Article!
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000
From: Matthew

I liked your article on the Superman-Jesus subject. I liked Superman since I was a kid! He was my hero! Now, Jesus is my hero! He is the Lord of my life, He loved me so much He died for my sins! Superman is fictional, but I agree their is alot of simalarities! He always was nice, he cared for people no matter how bad they were, he saved people. I feel modern comics have taken away Superman as he was orginally created to do. He still is goo and righteous, but different. I liked the Superman of the past and I like some of the newer ones. When Superman died in issue #75 it reminded me of Jesus. He layed down his life for everyone, against an unbeatable monster called Doomsday. Jesus layed down His life against a monster none of us could beat called Sin. I believe that is why I have always liked Superman, he was maybe a "type" or kind of like Jesus. Let us always remember though that Jesus is not Superman and remember who we must truly worship, the Lord Jesus! Once again I love your article and I may use it in my Youth Ministry! God Bless! Romans 8:28
Matthew

Right Now! in the Current Series Supergirl is no longer a Kryptonian Hero as Superman's Cousin, She's Matrix The Shape-Shifting Alien in using her name and Right Now She's Currently An Angel from the Heavens called the "Earth-born" She's like Michael The Archangel casting out Satan and His Demons on Planet Earth taken over a Human Form of a Dying Woman name Linda Danvers sacrifice by a Demon Cult in a Small Town called Leesburg,and She's a Phenomenon Being of Heavenly Souls.Remember from the movie on the quotes on Selena and Bianaca talking about Angels. Bianaca:"Fools Rush In,and Angels Trend" Selena:"Im No Angel"
Publish my e-mail address please
By Daniel McKinney McKinneyd@bsc.net

HOW IT AFFECTED ME
Subject: Superman and Jesus Christ
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000
From: Simone

I by accident, stumbled onto your sight. What caught my attention was this comparison you have made between Jesus Christ and Superman the Movie. About 3 years ago I did a paper in college on this very subject. Being a Superman fan, especially, the movie, I wanted to write about the movie and how it affected me. It was easy for me to see the religous corolation of the two. I did not know Superman's creators are Jewish. I wrote about a more Christian side of the movie, because of my unfamiliarity of Judeism. After reading your story, and seeing more points of views that I didn't even see before, really opened my eyes to how great that movie really was. And to understand why it affected so many people, including myself. Some of your critics argue your agenda at writing this article. I don't believe you are trying to take any deep spiritual meaning away from Jesus, just adding it to Superman.

Response: Thank you -David

EL TOPO AND DUNE
Subject: "El Topo" and Superman
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000
From: Joe Admire

In reference to Matt Burgener's message of February 24, the director of "El Topo" is Alexander Jodorowsky. You can find a very good analysis of this unusual (heck - bizarre!) movie in Danny Peary's 1981 book "Cult Movies". The thing about "El Topo" is that there's also a lot of religious imagery in it; maybe someday if you find a copy on video you can do a review of it. (Incidentially, Jodorowsky at one point helmed the "Dune" project but bowed out - "Dune" might well be another movie well worth it for you to analyze; in fact, Frank Herbert gets very heavily into the Messianic symbolism in his Dune novels.)
-Joe- (jadmire@monumental.com)

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