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Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001
From: Mary Jaber

to just blow this over as cunning and cute.. You apparently read only what you want from the Bible and as so many " LIBERAL RELIGIOUS " people think, you apparently also feel that Satan is just this mindless creature who isn't interested in destroying the Lord's people. Where is Jesus Christ in this by the way??? I thought this was a Christian web-site and I read here alot about God but nothing about the Lord Jesus Christ!!! I am simply amazed at how stupid some religious people are about spiritual things and how they subject their precious children to domonic stories and movies and think God will wink at them and say He understands... You have a lot to answer for on judgement day because all of these issues will be addressed by Him and then you go right ahead and tell him that you think socerey is no big deal.. I'm sure God will just think you are so much smarter then He is, right ??? You are really really off base IF you are a serious Christian, but if not - close up this web-site because satan gets enough help as it if from the secular world and you are running right along with the rest of the other liberal religions who are really going to answer big time.. Read the Old Testament... Jesus came to fill the law.. not remove it... I am appalled at these e-mails you have printed about this.. God help all of you... Mary J Jaber mailto: mjaber@reinhartlaw.com <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Difficulties mastered are opportunities won... Churchill

Response: Thank you for your slam. Where is Jesus in Hollywood JESUS you ask? Hmm, gosh beats me. By the way, I consider myself to be theologically conservative. Your label of "liberal" was designed to dismiss me. No such luck. Call me what you will, Jesus is still my Lord. And the Bible is still my book. Remember who the father of the lie is. May God bless you on your journey and help you with your mouth. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30 harry potter
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001
From: mary

i think the appeal of fantasy is basically because the devil can only imitate what God has created. some fantasy is allegorical, like C S Lewis' "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe". other fantasy may be demonically inspired and will present counterfeits of God's truth. either way, fantasy can fill part of that empty space God built into each of us so we would hunger for Him. no wonder fantasy, myths and legends have persisted through the ages! i don't have kids at home any more; when i did i read books and watched movies with them. i set standards, and also taught them the standard of God's word. i wouldn't encourage my children to see this movie; but i'm concerned about children who have. threatening them with hell, disparaging them and their parents edifies no one, doesen't redeem the time, and does nothing to further the gospel of Christ. Connie Neal has witnessing tools relating to harry potter (read the bookmark at http://www.connieneal.com) let's use this opportunity to preach the gospel to a new, obviously hungry, generation!

Response: Thank you. It is a hungry generation. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001
From: K

My husband and I love the Harry Potter books, we're reading them aloud for the 2nd time. We are eastern orthodox christians, and they really don't offend us. The stories are just so good! Evil is not glorified, but is portrayed as real. I think it's important not to overlook the fact that there is evil in the world, that there are battles between good and evil. While the Harry Potter tales are not overtly Christian, I do think they are moral and deal with many issues that people of all ages struggle with, such as feeling alone, working hard to keep your friends, feeling unjustly persecuted, and fighting for what you believe in. The witchcraft is a sort of background for very human stories. When I think of the books I read as a child, many of them gave the main character special powers or at least special insight into the world around them. Everyone wants to feel special in some way, and the HP stories address that need so well. My Christian walk has been a lot of gut decisions. Until attending bible school in my early 20's, I never had a lot of book knowledge to back up my gut instincts, instincts that were developed through life in a Christian family and church community. Harry Potter doesn't go against my gut instincts, nor against the book knowledge I have. I don't really think that these books will encourage young people to pursue witchcraft, the sorcery in the books really takes a backseat to the human drama. I do have my concerns about related merchandising of "spell books" and the such, but as most of the "spells" are just the latin or greek root words with some made up conjunctions, I don't suppose there's much harm. Whew, that's a lot more than 2 cents worth, but there it is :) K

Response: Thank you. I agree with you. Very insightful. -David

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Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001
From: rhonda

I believe that we as God's Children are too easily influenced by the media and other sources. What the devils means for our bad God can and will turn it into something good for us. Harry Potter is a fictitious character created by a person who is no different from any of us. I have not allowed my children to go because I'd like to be better informed of what the content is. That is not to say I will not take them. I believe that it does promote witchcraft and divination. However, it is no more evil or sinister than many of the cartoons that I have to tell my children they don't need to watch on TV every single day, not to mention the video, or computer games. We have a responsibility to prepare our children for the real world and if Scriptures tells us clearly that "we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities in high and wicked places" Should we not know how to battle our enemies? We are told to put on our whole armor and not flee.... But to stand! We live in a world full of wrong doings and sin is abounding we are to be Light in a dark and barren land. So let's just be about doing what it is God has instructed us to do. Pray without ceasing. Lift up one another and bear each others burdens. Work out our OWN Soul Salvation with fear and trembling. People that pray together stay together. We are not be afraid. God did not give us the spirit of fear, but of Love Power and a Sound mind. We need to begin to live that way, stop giving the devil so much credit. God is still in control. I apologize for rambling on so long, I just hate to think that we as God's children forget our faith so easily and continue to roll over and play dead "spiritually that is"
Sincerely, Rhonda Ferguson

Response: Thank you for being a caring mother. I hope you are not too strict. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001
From: Santosh Benjamin

"Harry potter is fictitious but witchcraft isnt"

Im thinking back to a few months ago when 'Charmed' was on TV screens (the story of three teenagers who are witches , albeit 'good' ones) ... Interestingly withcraft organisations reported an increasing number of teenagers calling up and inquiring how they could become witches and of course the organisation was only to happy to tell them how to be initiated...

Now , i hope u dont think witchcraft is good . The Bible strongly condemns it . Under this premise, i would argue against any advancement of witchcraft and its aims , even if a seemingly innocent programme is used to guide it .

so harry might be a likable lad and the story may have some good themes , but spiritually i think thats the cheese in the mousetrap ..havent u seen programmes , even hollywood movies where people give in to the devil because they get promises of greatness , powers to do good etc and at the end , satan shows that they would actually burn in hell ?

Remember the admonishment "if anyone of u causes these little ones to stumble ..."

and theres one more thing , what about the interview with JK Rowling where she said some very unpleasant things about Jesus ? its one thing to be neutral about him and another thing to be nasty about Him ...

Santosh Benjamin

Response: Thank you for sharing. I disagree with regarding HP. But, that's okay. I always enjoy a good discussion.The witch craft that the Bible speaks about is not what HP is about. Apples and oranges. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001
From: Brian

If the setting of the Harry Potter stories been another planet and his magic advanced technology, no one would be raising any stink.

The "magic and wizard" background of Harry Potter books are only the settings within which the tales unfold. The conflict is between good and evil in each book. Harry being the good guy and various other wizards being the bad guys. In the books good always triumphs.

The values Harry holds and upholds are similar to those of Christian teachings, without the specific references to God or Jesus. The choice for parents to permit their children to participate in the "Harry Potter" mania is individual. Harry Potter is nothing more than the new "James Bond" or "Star Wars" or "Pokémon".

It is my opinion that those who see devils and demons within Harry Potter are likely to find devil and demons in any literature, film or play. "Harry Potter paranoia" is irresponsible and destructive to God's teachings. Persons suffering that level of paranoia should seek professional help.

Response: Thank you for your excellent comments. You are so right on. Again, excellent comments! -David

Subject: Newsletter_30 Harry_Potter_Can_Be_Used_Positively_
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001
From: Rodney Simmonds

To me there is much that is good in Harry Potter. In all four books Harry Potter overcomes evil with good. Harry Potter is unselfish. In the film just before the end we are told. You have overcome evil because you have love deep down i n your soul. The film also makes much of Ron laying down his life in the chess game so that Harry can go obn and overcome evil just as Jesus laid down His life for us. To me there is much that is good in Harry Potter. Harry is concerned with others.
Rev. Dr. Rodney C. Simmonds Home Page: http://www.ilovejesus.com/myhome/rodneycsimmonds/index.html

Response: Thank you pastor. It warms my heart to know there are pastors like you out there. If I were in your area I would visit your church. Keep on brother. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001
From: L. Glenn

Dear Mr. Bruce:
This is the first time I have looked at your site, and was disappointed at your favorable opinion of the Harry Potter series. It did reflect the controversy swirling around the Harry Potter books and current movie, especially within the "Christian" community. Your opinions reflect relativistic logic and an acceptance that Christian truth can be established through non/extra-biblical sources. Scripture does not support your opinions. (You are so wrong about my thinking. -David)

Some like yourself try to justify your anti-biblical argument by saying that God used this or that scenario to interact with or teach man. True, He can, such as using an ass to communicate to Balaam the false prophet. If your position is valid then you would accept that Satan is a force for good because he can quote scripture, as he did when Jesus our savior was being tried in the wilderness; or, that Job came out better from his trial than he was previously. God used Satan in Job's case, yet Satan only used evil and loss to work on Job. So perhaps evil and Satan are good and God is....? No, God is the ultimate in righteousness and goodness and He tempts no man with evil, nor does He sanction witchcraft, sorcery, spiritualism or those who believe evil is good. (No argument here. -David)

Some claim that a great deal of highly regarded fantasy would have to be thrown out were Harry Potter to be relegated to the rubbish heap. Those who hold this opinion do not comprehend the that none of the other fiction takes place in the "real" world, that the other fantasies do not set the scene in a school of witchcraft, give vicarious lessons in witchcraft, or uphold witchery / wizardry as a desirable goal. The wizards of these other fantasy pieces are either phony, the end of their line, or as a player in a drama.

Some professed Christian personalities and other prominent people have jumped on the Harry Potter bandwagon. However, these people seem to have set aside the authority of the Bible to vaunt their own opinion. Since Christianity is a religion based upon the validity of the Bible, the supremacy of God and of Jesus Christ one must look at what the Bible has to say, what God through His inspiration has said, not what people, whoever they are -- whatever their station, have to say. These people, no matter their sincerity, cannot offer, give or assure forgiveness of sin or salvation; nor, do their opinions supersede or negate God's judgments and laws. (True. The Bible is always the final word. I do not disagree with you. This is strange because you seem to disagree with me. I see no difference between us, except in our different views of HP and what a Christian is. You seem to suggest that Christians who view HP differently than you do are not true Christians. -David)

The Holy Bible, the only complete source of Christian truth, says, "There shall not be found among you anyone who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.
And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

These examples from the Law (Torah) to Revelation show there is no controversy in the Bible about evil practices and beliefs. (HP is not this, however. -David)

If we believe in God, and we believe that the Bible is the word of the Living Almighty God who will judge all mankind ('humankind' would be a better word -David), it is not our opinion or belief that counts, it is His sole opinion; and He in His book has nothing good to say about witchcraft, sorcery, divination, magickal practices etc. You say, "Point: Harry Potter can be used to point to the positive truths." The Bible says, "Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" and "what communion has light with darkness?" You cannot agree with God and with the occult, or Harry Potter and his creator. (Again. The Bible is always the final word. I do not disagree with you. This is strange because you seem to disagree with me. I see no difference between us, except in our different views of HP and what a Christian is. You seem to suggest that Christians who view HP differently than you do are not true Christians. So sad -David)

You said, "Statement: Harry Potter will not advance the cause of Satanists. Harry Potter will not increase the ranks of so-called wizards and witches." However, the Bible says, Proverbs 22:6 "Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it." Proverbs 20:11 "Even a child is known by his deeds, Whether what he does is pure and right." Children learn by reading, seeing, mimicking, and through play (Harry Potter toys, Ouija boards, Dungeons & Dragons ad nauseum.)

In summary, the Bible continues: "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.", it does not say embrace, promote, encourage or support the works of darkness. Mr. Bruce you need to rethink your position in light of the Holy Bible, not what is convenient or popular. Harry Potter, witchcraft, sorcery, divination, mediums / spiritualism, psychic readings, magick and related practices are of darkness. No Christian should have fellowship with these practices. Witchcraft is sin, sin brings eternal death --is Harry Potter really worth risking your eternal life for? (Non-sense. HP does not equal eternal death. God will NOT burn people forever just because they read HP. Nonsense. Your view of God's justice is somehow wrong to me. -David)
L. Glenn

PS: If you are going to offer and try to establish a theological or doctrinal position or opinion use a real translation rather than a paraphrased text. (The translation I used is not a paraphrase. Unlike the old Living Bible which is a paraphrase, the New Living Translation is not as you state. It is a translation. You do not know theology or biblical matters very well. You are very limited in your experience and understanding. May God bless you and work with you in expanding your heart to be inclusive of Christians that think different than you. The difference between you and I is that I can rejoice that you follow Jesus, whereas you can not celebrate my life in the same way. So sad. If you are intolerant toward certain brothers and sisters in Christ, I wonder if you are even more intolerant toward nonChristians. -David)

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001
From: Lori

I have read all the Harry Potter books so far. Because of all the controversy I wanted to be sure before I allowed my son to read them. I have to say they are positive in a lot of ways. There's a good lesson in each book (sometimes more than one). He also has enjoyed them. Isn't that why the books are listed under "science FANTASY"? Thanks for listening!

Response: Thank you. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001
From: Wendy Hamil

David: I just finished reading various opinions about Harry Potter books, and I wish to share this rule of thumb with you and others. This is not original, but I have always discovered this rule to be practical and safe. When followed I have never had any regrets. It is old but true,"WHEN IN DOUBT, LEAVE IT OUT".

I am aware that witchcraft is practiced throughout the world, and personally, I want no part of it. It opens the gate to hell!! I don't even read my horoscope any more. As parents and grandparents I believe we have a responsibility to protect our children, and many people are letting their children read the Harry Potter books and view the movie without personally learning what this is about.

I think a person should pray for the Holy Spirit to open their eyes and ears before they begin the search, and before they let the children read the books or view the movie.

We all know satan is the biggest deceiver of all and many Christians will be deceived. He is not worried about the unbelievers, his great concern are believers.

I believe our schools should practice the same policy about permitting the children to read the books. Since some consider them to be witchcraft, which is a religion, then they should not let the children read them. Do public schools allow the Bible, Curran or other Books of Faith to be read? I am a Christian, and would like to say I am not in favor of audible prayers being said in public schools. If one religion is allowed to pray aloud, then allow all religions to pray aloud. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT FORBID OR PROHIBIT ME FROM PRAYING ANYTIME......WHEN I PRAY SILENTLY. I am in agreement for a period of silent prayer in public schools.

So, if Harry Potter is going to be read in public schools....let's dust off the Bible and encourage the students to spend the same amount of time reading it as they do Harry Potter. There are Bible for all age levels, and many may be surprised how fascinating the Bible is.

Thanks for letting me share my opinion.
Wendy Hamil
Thanks for allowing me

Response: You are welcome. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30 Harry Potter
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001
From: Linda

I think the new Harry Potter movie is wonderful and I also think that the whole Harry Potter series is the age old tale of good versus evil. Isn't it amazing that in the movie the one thing that keeps Harry from harm in the end is the Love of his Mother that she put into him just before she died! Harry is a wonderful tool to teach our youth and adults as well, that the things of true value are not made of gold or silver but are instead the relationships we have with our fellow human beings.

Response: Thank you. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001
From: mike

My dear friend I am not sure how I got your page, but I am glad I did. I address you in love sir, not in hostility.

You too have been duped by the devil, like thousands of others. There is nothing, hear me son, nothing positive about witchcraft in any form. You quote Paul, so listen to him here: "Finally, brethren (Christians) whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy, meditate on these things." (Philippians 4:8 NKJV). Read about Samuel if you think witches have anything positive to relate, read 1 Samuel 28 through chapter 31. You quote Scriptures, so let me give you one. You need to use the whole chapter of Acts, not just an excerpt. I can take one sentence of Scripture and interpret it to mean just about anything. Paul said in verse 22 of that same chapter of Acts you quote, " I perceive that in ALL things you are VERY RELIGIOUS. (Emphasis mine.) The people had been duped into believing there were numerous gods, so it was a bit sarcastic in a sense when he made this statement to them, that you use in your quote.

Call me a holy roller if you like, as the one lady did John Hagy. After all, that is how Satan fools everyone else. Take "holy" away from Christianity and you end up with religion. The difference between religion and Christianity is heaven or hell. Consult Christ about it in Matthew 15: 7-9: "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 'these people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'" One more bit of advice, if you happen to still be reading this: Satan can sugar coat his antics with children, and even puppies or kittens if he chooses and try to lead us to believe there is nothing "wrong with it." Popular opinion is not always the right opinion. It is not what you think, or what I think that counts. It is what God says in His Word. All of His Word. Not just bits and pieces.

I guess some "Christians" may say the Exorcist was a "teaching movie" as well, huh?

May God continually be merciful and gracious unto you and yours!
In His Service and at yours:
Rev. Michael S. Ingo,
Associate Pastor, Draper Valley Pentecostal Holiness Church.

Response: Thank you for sharing. I wish you had been more "mericful and gracious" in sharing your opposing view. I would have appreciated such kindness and heart. "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace ..kindness" "The works of the flesh are strife, quarrels, factions, malice", etc as you well know. We may disagree, but we still follow Jesus and are part of the same family. -David

Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001
From: sojourning

I feel sad that I came down so hard just because I reacted like "they" did and forgot the big picture. Thanks for increasing my vision. And I pray any damage I did to a really close friend of my son's will be healed. Help us, Oh Lord, to stop crucifying our own, over and over again. No wonder Jesus said, "Forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing." Now, I see...
Thanks, sojourning

Response: May God bless you -David

Subject: Newsletter_30 Harry Potter
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001
From: "Marge Iden"

I am concerned about Harry Potter; however, I believe we need to handle it without a "witch hunt" or "satanic panic". I think we are remiss if we don't view sorcery and witchcraft as God views it. His command that "a sorceress should not be allowed to live." is pretty plain in Exodus 22:18. Saul was stripped of his kingdom partly because he consulted a medium, 1 Chronicles 10:13. Leviticus 20:27 indicates God's command to put mediums and spiritists among them to death. These are pretty strong words; and for us to simply wink at a book that glorifies them makes me very uncomfortable. I am for knowing the truth; and letting people make up their own minds. However, in my experience there aren't many who know the truth about what the Bible says about such things; and tend to disregard them as unimportant today when they are taught. Having had experience with men and women who were sucked into Satanism through games and movies, I am probably feeling stronger about this than others might. Even Webster's dictionary indicates the definition of sorcerers, divination, wizardry, witches, etc. all derive their power from evil spirits. I wonder why we are so quick to look to Harry Potter, a wizard, to say some good moral teaching comes from the book and movie, so they must be ok. It seems to me that it is like saying, it's ok to commit adultery if something good comes from it. I believe absolutes are undermined and the principle that the end justifies the means comes into play. I suggest we teach the truth, and let it speak when we do allow our children or ourselves to watch and read things like this.
Marge Iden, Children's Minister

Response: Go see the movie, it is very tame. Since you are a Children's minister, you need to see it. Children are seeing it by the millions. Thanks for expressing your concerns. -David


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