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June 30, 2001
Greetings from David Bruce, Web Master


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LEAVE THE GUY ALONE
Subject: Leave the guy alone!
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001
From: Nita Smith

OK.....I read all the so-called insightful opinions and concerns about Thomas Kinkade's art. For pete's sake, leave the guy alone! He's depicting a wonderful peaceful world, and what's wrong with that? This IS a "hard" world, and when hasn't it been! Theorizing all this isolationism, etc., is nonsense. This is the guy's STYLE. Do people criticize and read undercurrent meaning into Picasso's STYLE? Or any other of the so-called classic or modern artists??? Kincade doesn't claim to be any social activist. He's an ARTIST. This is ART, expression and talent........not realism. Is it possible the critic is making himself feel better by attempting to tear down someone else? That's a simple, very old and overused strategy. Give it a rest. I love his beautiful scenes, as do many other Christians and non-Christians alike. There's nothing sinister or "anti-people" about them. Talk about your "conspiracy theories"!!!! Nonsense. Get a life and leave the guy alone.
Nita Smith

THIS IS ANGRY MAIL
Subject: thomas kincade
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001
From: E.H.

this is my angry mail ..!!........... i can't believe you review Thomas Kincade as an artist. He does bad copies of old hallmark cards!! Any subject is valid, if it is art. Thomas Kincade is good at marketing and further dulling the mind and culture of all ready easily led astray christians, he markets himself different in different markets, not just to christians!!! These ignorant people paying for his signature on a poster !! i have nothing against his paintings, but it can never be called art any more than the painting on the xerox paper box instructions!
--------------E.H. - christian and artist

GIVE ME A BREAK
Subject: re
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001
From: Foreverjesus

why do we as people always always try to pick apart the beauty of a simple picture, give me a break! IDOLTRY, please. i think you think to much.

STRONG FAMILIES
Subject: Strong Families
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001
From: Merle

David, First of all I want to say that I really love your site. You have an incredible ministry, and your insightful reviews have taught me to watch film in a whole new way. I love your newsletters, I get excited every time I receive one, they challenge me and make me think. I understand and agree with you and your assessment of the "Thomas Kinkeade Dilemma" Although I feel it's a bit judgmental to single out him as a representation of the problem with Christians today. I'm sure there are many examples within the Christian community that demonstrate this disengagement problem. True the representations are there, but just as you would not purchase a film on video strictly for it's violence or sexual content, I would not buy a Thomas Kinkead painting and hang it on my wall strictly to represent that I'm disconnected from the real world. I would buy it because it's a beautiful painting that I enjoy looking at. (Personally I don't have, and probably would never buy any of his paintings). I am a father of five children and I believe that family is the most important foundation of any society, and that strong families (Not TV, movies or video games) are the key to the elimination of youth violence and school shootings. David, where the myth lies is in the question of what makes a strong family. A strong family does not have to have both parents. A strong family does not have to live in a great neighborhood. A strong family is not disconnected from the outside world. A strong family does not even have to be Christian! (oh my gosh, but it sure helps). My recipe for a strong family is allot of love and support. With the right amount of love and support within a family (Whether it's a blood family, a church family or a community family) No individual or youth would ever resort to violence. Let's not leave the entertainment industry completely off the hook though, I believe they should share in the responsibility, as we all should, art is not a license to kill. I respect you allot David so if I'm way off base here, please straighten me out.
Merle

DISENGAGEMENT
Subject: Disengagement
Response Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001
From: "J. W. Dudgeon"

Dear Mr. Bruce,
You have struck a nerve. I totally agree with the 'disengagement syndrome' which you have highlighted.

Unfortunately, I'm one of the disengagers.

I'm in the 'fall' of my life span (born in'42). A born again Christian at age 37; a slow learner for sure. Lost my job to NAFTA last year. Now I'm at home so much my kids are worried about me!!! imagine that. I quit going to church seventeen years ago because all I saw was 'disengagers'. About every member was family related. If you even mentioned a show like 'Dallas'...conversation over! When the Sunday service was over everyone went to their respective homes never to be heard from until the next Sunday.

I am a disengager because I'm tired of the 'hassle'. Everybody argues, disagrees, complains, beefs...etc,etc.

I guess what I'm trying to say is its easy to be a disengager. Leave the world out there and be at peace in your own isolationism...yes, a downright lazy attitude! With articles like this the slumbering giant within awakens. Soooooo as my confessional; I am coming out to engage the enemy!
Thanks for the awakening,
J.W.Dudgeon,
jwdud@rtcol.com

RON DiCIANNI, THOMAS KINKADE, A THOUGHT, NOT BAD.
Subject:
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: cynthia

David, First, I must tell you that I respect you and believe that God is behind your ministry. I admire your boldness. I agree that Mr. Kincaids work is light, but that is O.K. God made everyone with the giftedness that he wants them to have. I am not condeming your opinion, I see where you are coming from. We do not know that his paintings have not reached out to the non-christian world. I think that they have, at least he Is quite bold in letting the world know that his beliefs are what bring him to his canvas to produce the beautiful paintings. I agree that the market is flooded with candy style religion. You yourself must experience daily the rejection and negativity from your brothers and sisters who do not understand what you are doing, so who are we to question God's will in his life? Please be supportive, I am thankful for his art. You have forgotten one of the greatest artists of today, Ron DiCianni. Cheque out his art. And the brave graphic designers who create cutting edge designs that capture peoples eyes on teeshirts, books, CDs and more. I am one of them. I pray for you and the people who you meet and relate to. God will be with you wherever you go. Joshua 1:9. Thank you for doing what you are doing. I appreciate it. May we all live in our giftedness. God bless, Cynthia Topaz

VALID POINTS
Subject: Kinkade style
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: Cyndy

You make some very valid points. How wonderful it would be to encourage Thomas Kincade to paint "light" in more contemporary settings. I am sure he is up to the task and it could really expand the audience that he now reaches.

AN OPEN MINDED CONCERN OF MINE...
Subject: An open-minded concern of mine.....
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001
From: No Name

Hello, I know that this letter is a bit long, but please take a moment to read it. I would really love to hear a response from you on this.

I am a Christian AND a huge movie buff. I have been a movie buff longer than a Christian, and over the years, I have struggled with what is appropriate to watch AS a Christian and what isn't.

When I first became saved, I had two "RADICAL" friends who condemned me for watching certain Disney films because they had some 'magic' in them. I felt ashamed and watched them in secret. I now realize how wrong these two people were for pushing their convictions on me and trying to be my holy spirit. Their sense of 'holiness' was more of a 'religious' bondage than it was based on a 'relationship' with Christ. I had been set free of the religious bondage and now I allow the Holy Spirit to direct my steps and guide my convictions instead of man.

Over the years, I have grown as a Christian, and there are certain things that I use to enjoy watching just for pleasure, like "GREASE," "FOOTLOOSE," and others.

Now I have two daughters, and I have suddenly seen something that I have never seen before. When I first saw these films years ago, I had no Godly convictions, they were fun films, and they remind me of those wonderful years of fun. But when I watched "GREASE" with my daughter, she started parading around the house pulling her nightgown down off her shoulders and acting 'slutty' just like the characters were in the film. I was SHOCKED and HORRIFIED. I immediately turned it off and had a talk with my daughter about why it was wrong.

Then I thought to myself, how can I expect her to realize why this is wrong, and yet keep this movie in my home which says to her, it's ok to watch and be entertained by it, but it's not Godly to do these things? I thought about the scripture that says we must crucify our flesh, pick up our cross and follow Christ. Being a Christian means denying our fleshly desires for the better of our spirits, so my wife and I went through our video collection and we painfully removed some of our favorite films that would conflict with what we wanted to teach our daughters.

We removed "FOOTLOOSE" because it shows an unsaved boy who talks about sex a lot, and sneaks around to party and drink, who stands up to the man of God (even though he was a bit narrow-minded), and twists the scriptures to convince the minister that dancing before the Lord was OK and approved by God. Then when the minister gives in, they use the opportunity to dance in ways that is NOT 'before the Lord.' It portrays the ministers daughter, who sleeps around and rebels against her father, as a hero and a good person, who sins without consequences.

There were other films we removed for several of the same reasons, 'bad language' (how can we teach these words are offensive to God when we allow them in our home as entertainment?), 'sexual content outside of marriage', (again, how can we teach what's proper when we see our movie hero's enjoying it without consequences?), and other content that conflicts with the teaching of God.

Since we have done this, I have seen a dramatic improvement in our daughters behavior, and I know she will respect us later in life for us sticking to what we teach and not being hypocritical.

Not only has the change happened in her, but it has happen in us as well. We are no longer popping these films in when we are bored and feeding ourselves the same damaging impressions that we did before. We are not feeding our own minds with the foul language that we use to just 'overlook' before, because the movie was just too good or funny. I asked myself, is it OK to listen to the foul language as long as it's a good movie with a good moral? Is it OK to watch people talk about and have casual sex without consequences in a movie even if the movie is a Hollywood hit with good points like 'FORREST GUMP'? Are we really pleasing the Lord when we choose to fill our spare time with these films?

Then I can't help but wonder, what kind of example were we giving when we would introduce these 'innocent' films to our church friends? Or even to our UNSAVED friends? Were we showing them that Christians can have fun too and watch immoral stuff, and that it's OK? Or were we showing them that we were really not the Christians that we were trying to convense them we were?

The choices we made were strictly our own choices based on what we felt the Lord was showing us. We have grown as Christians and have drawn closer to the Lord because of it. I would NEVER attempt to push my convictions on others, then I would have done the same as my other two 'RADICAL' friends who wrongfully condemned me.

I know that some people in the church have wrongfully condemned you for your stance on films. You are so right in several of the films that you recommend. I understand the value of certain films (even some rated R ones) like "Bless The Child" (what a fantastic film that shows the spiritual warfare from BOTH sides) and the educational value from films like "SHENDLER'S LIST" and "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN."

But I am troubled by some of the comments made by some people who support your ministry. Like the one who enjoys "THE EVIL DEAD." Then the others who use your convictions to justify them watching films that are laced with language that is offensive to God and scenes that promote un-marrital sex among the stars and without consequences, and they watch them JUST for entertainment value.

Should Christians be entertained by these things? Were Do we draw the line and say "THAT ISN'T APPROPRIATE TO WATCH"?

May I ask without offending you........were do you draw this line? I know where MY line is drawn, and I pray that MY line doesn't cause anyone to stumble. But someone like you, speaking as an authority on Christianity AND Hollywood films, and someone who is setting the standard for others new Christians to follow, do you ever draw the line?

Please don't take this letter as anything other than an honest concern and question. I have not judged you, nor do I plan to. May the Lord richly bless you and your ministry.

DISENGAGEMENT FROM THE WORLD
Subject: Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: "Robert Klimowski"

Thanks for your newsletter. You've made some good points, kindly, but courageeously. I'm a public school teacher (and a Christian) and have always been somewhat taken aback by the home school movement. In Christian circles, I've noticed a paranoia over what goes on in our public schools that is blown out of proportion. Folks, it's a tough place to work, but our school certainly isn't a "war zone" (I teach in inner-city Des Moines), and the only "agenda" my fellow colleagues have is "surviving" another day in the trenches. The media makes the state of our public schools sound much worse than it really is, I fear, and drive many to home school their children for the wrong reason.

I have been tempted to start a home-Sunday School movement to give my kids a better Christian education than our church provides. Unlike many in the home school movement, I do not fear heresy or corruption, but rank amateurism in our Sunday school classrooms. It's a sad state of affairs when discipline in many Sunday school and youth groups is so lax as to make a public school teacher cringe. We are too afraid of "offending" a brother or sister in Christ by disciplining their kids. I do it daily at the public school, and don't think twice about it. But when I enter my church, I feel that such action would be frowned upon, so I hesitate to discipline the youth. Any teacher in the public schools knows that you are not the students' "pal." Why haven't the teachers of Sunday school and youth groups learned this? Was Jesus the disciples' "pal"? We are too fearful of driving people away from the church. Didn't Jesus say that the truth would set us free?

Now as a single parent of two kids, I am very much aware how important it is to put the Word of God into my kids hearts and life. The public schools won't do this, and it's a rare Sunday school class that does. Therefore, it all comes down to my responsibility, and I embrace it. Do I want an "outsider" to introduce my kids to the most intimate relationship they'll ever develop - with the Lord Jesus Christ? No way. And it's not that I'm paranoid, but because I don't want to be "robbed" of that joy.

I agree with you completely regarding raising home and family to the level of idolatry. Then very name of the Christian organization Focus on the Family is a painful reminder of just that. Perhaps our focus is wrong. Based on name alone, an organization called Focus on Jesus would get my support much quicker. But to our worldly souls, the real Jesus is not as attractive as an "Ozzie and Harriet" lifestyle.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts honestly. Many of your brothers in Christ agree.
In His Love, B. Klimowski
E-mail: martinu4@home.com

FREE TO BE
Subject: Newsletter_27
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: "Wilson"

David, I agree with you that Thomas Kinkaid paintings have a Christian escapist and isolationist viewpoint. To which I also say you should also consider a few points:
1) So what? It's a free country. We have a right to be that way.
2) That's the reason why he is so popular. They are where we wish we were -- away from the ugly news of riots and other crimes and the people who commit them.
3) The problem with painting people is that he'll have to commit to a particular gender and race. Next you'll be complaining that he only paints white men, etc.

And where did you get statistics about colonial america? I didn't think they kept very good records back then.

Another perspective on your numbers is that the Holy Spirit has protected our children. Keep up the good work. I actually read your newsletter.
Wilson

LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHRISTIAN ART & ARTISTS
Subject: Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: Gordon Stromberg

I think... that the general Christian public knows very little about what contemporary, living Christian artists are doing. (Look up Christians in the Visual Arts). There is a community of Christian artists, and some are well known, possibly famous. If Kinkade is Famous, I guess I don't want it. There is nothing wrong with honoring the family or flowers (both are inventions of God) or light. Kinkade's images look like cottages in the Cotswolds are each shining with some holiness. He just needs to look at a lot of good films, a lot of educational tv, and read a magazine about Tattoos. Kinkade, bless his fame and money, is creating a product that people are buying. There is something about the message that people like. It doesn't happen to be my thing.
Gordon Stromberg

PS What would happen if Christians wandered into a Starbucks 2 Sundays out of the year and struck up a conversation with someone in a wheelchair about their Christian faith. Ask people how they interpret Mr. Kinkades paint. Give me an artist that challenges me to relate to the current culture of racial hate, Bethlehem, Palestine being bombed by people that survived WWII ! Let me paint a picture of Palestinians trying to pick olives, only to have their olive trees destroyed with grenades. Pray for PEACE in war torn areas.

THANK YOU!
Subject: Newsletter 27
The Good Old Days
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: Andy Milliken

Wonderful Job as always Dave, you hit the nail on the head of not isolating ourselves off from the world. I'm a college student majoring in evanglism at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago and i both agree and appreciated your website and thoughts. I believe we need to know and understand people and culture in order to be able to minster to them/it and that's extremely hard if we put ourselves in our nice little christian bubbles or houses. Your work and website our excellent and i throughly support and appreicate your work. Keep up the good work and don't the critics get you down, thier not who you answer to in the end.
Andy Milliken

DISENGAGEMENT FROM THE WORLD
Subject: Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: B. Klimowski

Thanks for your newsletter. You've made some good points, kindly, but courageeously. I'm a public school teacher (and a Christian) and have always been somewhat taken aback by the home school movement. In Christian circles, I've noticed a paranoia over what goes on in our public schools that is blown out of proportion. Folks, it's a tough place to work, but our school certainly isn't a "war zone" (I teach in inner-city Des Moines), and the only "agenda" my fellow colleagues have is "surviving" another day in the trenches. The media makes the state of our public schools sound much worse than it really is, I fear, and drive many to home school their children for the wrong reason.

I have been tempted to start a home-Sunday School movement to give my kids a better Christian education than our church provides. Unlike many in the home school movement, I do not fear heresy or corruption, but rank amateurism in our Sunday school classrooms. It's a sad state of affairs when discipline in many Sunday school and youth groups is so lax as to make a public school teacher cringe. We are too afraid of "offending" a brother or sister in Christ by disciplining their kids. I do it daily at the public school, and don't think twice about it. But when I enter my church, I feel that such action would be frowned upon, so I hesitate to discipline the youth. Any teacher in the public schools knows that you are not the students' "pal." Why haven't the teachers of Sunday school and youth groups learned this? Was Jesus the disciples' "pal"? We are too fearful of driving people away from the church. Didn't Jesus say that the truth would set us free?

Now as a single parent of two kids, I am very much aware how important it is to put the Word of God into my kids hearts and life. The public schools won't do this, and it's a rare Sunday school class that does. Therefore, it all comes down to my responsibility, and I embrace it. Do I want an "outsider" to introduce my kids to the most intimate relationship they'll ever develop - with the Lord Jesus Christ? No way. And it's not that I'm paranoid, but because I don't want to be "robbed" of that joy.

I agree with you completely regarding raising home and family to the level of idolatry. Then very name of the Christian organization Focus on the Family is a painful reminder of just that. Perhaps our focus is wrong. Based on name alone, an organization called Focus on Jesus would get my support much quicker. But to our worldly souls, the real Jesus is not as attractive as an "Ozzie and Harriet" lifestyle.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts honestly. Many of your brothers in Christ agree.
In His Love, B. Klimowski
E-mail: martinu4@home.com

FREE TO BE
Subject: Newsletter_27
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: "Wilson"

David, I agree with you that Thomas Kinkaid paintings have a Christian escapist and isolationist viewpoint. To which I also say you should also consider a few points:
1) So what? It's a free country. We have a right to be that way.
2) That's the reason why he is so popular. They are where we wish we were -- away from the ugly news of riots and other crimes and the people who commit them.
3) The problem with painting people is that he'll have to commit to a particular gender and race. Next you'll be complaining that he only paints white men, etc.

And where did you get statistics about colonial america? I didn't think they kept very good records back then.

Another perspective on your numbers is that the Holy Spirit has protected our children. Keep up the good work. I actually read your newsletter.
Wilson

LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHRISTIAN ART & ARTISTS
Subject: Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: Gordon Stromberg

I think... that the general Christian public knows very little about what contemporary, living Christian artists are doing. (Look up Christians in the Visual Arts). There is a community of Christian artists, and some are well known, possibly famous. If Kinkade is Famous, I guess I don't want it. There is nothing wrong with honoring the family or flowers (both are inventions of God) or light. Kinkade's images look like cottages in the Cotswolds are each shining with some holiness. He just needs to look at a lot of good films, a lot of educational tv, and read a magazine about Tattoos. Kinkade, bless his fame and money, is creating a product that people are buying. There is something about the message that people like. It doesn't happen to be my thing.
Gordon Stromberg

PS What would happen if Christians wandered into a Starbucks 2 Sundays out of the year and struck up a conversation with someone in a wheelchair about their Christian faith. Ask people how they interpret Mr. Kinkades paint. Give me an artist that challenges me to relate to the current culture of racial hate, Bethlehem, Palestine being bombed by people that survived WWII ! Let me paint a picture of Palestinians trying to pick olives, only to have their olive trees destroyed with grenades. Pray for PEACE in war torn areas.

THANK YOU!
Subject: Newsletter 27
The Good Old Days
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: Andy Milliken

Wonderful Job as always Dave, you hit the nail on the head of not isolating ourselves off from the world. I'm a college student majoring in evanglism at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago and i both agree and appreciated your website and thoughts. I believe we need to know and understand people and culture in order to be able to minster to them/it and that's extremely hard if we put ourselves in our nice little christian bubbles or houses. Your work and website our excellent and i throughly support and appreicate your work. Keep up the good work and don't the critics get you down, thier not who you answer to in the end.
Andy Milliken

DISENGAGEMENT!
Subject: Newsletter 27
great Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: Tony Whittaker

Dear Dave Very thought-provoking comments in the newsletter, and very valuable. The quotes I put in the Web Evangelism Bulletin are I think applicable (you may not have had time to notice them) and also tie in with your comments - I'll add them below.

Of course, and I know you'd agree, I think that Christians need guidance in attempting to understand the culture around them and how to offer a response to it. The issue is not just whether they go and see certain films or books, but whether they can learn how to analyse what is going on. Eg. use the sorts of insights that you, or www.damaris.org.uk are offering. I think it is worth noting the comment that Francis Schaeffer made to an audience, when asked 'Do you mean we should all go and watch dirty films', he said, 'No, but some of you should.'

I think as a younger Christian (and younger male), it would have been unwise for me to watch certain stuff then, that maybe I could now view more analytically.

Thanks as ever for all your thoughts.
Blessings Tony

ADDRESSING THE CULTURE Two thought-provoking extracts from recent articles in Christian Herald [ http://www.christianherald.org.uk ]: "Imagine that someone buys a manual to find out more about his Japanese car; then, because the book itself is very exciting, he becomes engrossed in it. He pores over every phrase, learns it cover to cover, knows the instruction bits by heart, defends it against all critics, has technical arguments with other devotees, studies Japanese to read it in the original language, yet never uses it to drive the car."
- Elaine Storkey

"Draw three large boats in relation to the sea: the first a submarine under the sea, the second a hovercraft above the sea, and the third a ship cutting through the sea. Imagine the sea is the culture that surrounds us and that the three boats represent three relationships Christians can have with culture. There are those who are submerged in it, those who hover above it, and those that are in it but not of it. Which boat most represents your relationship to the culture that surrounds you?"
- Matt Bird, taken from Joshua Generation discipleship course, Part 6.
Joshua Generation is a team which partners with churches and organizations around the world to help them understand, engage, and develop the next generation: http://www.joshgen.org

IDOLS OUT OF FAMILIES!
Subject: Newsletter 27
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001
From: "Dennis Brown"

Great insight. Evangelical churches many times make idols of family and comfort and control. I'm convinced that is one of the reasons for the popularity of Kinkade's work among evangelicals. Barna has pointed out the lack of distinctiveness between Christians and the rest of the culture. We largely preach a Gospel for me; a Savior whose principal purpose is to meet "my" felt needs. Matthew refers consistently to the "gospel of the kingdom". Unhappily, in the evangelical church we have often divorced gospel from kingdom. I've seen the evidences in my own life and been called to some fresh repentance.
Dennis Brown
Springton Lake Presbyterian Church

A POINT OF VIEW SIMILAR TO MINE!
Subject: Newsletter 27
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001
From: Sharon

Hi there. I have been reading your newsletters and looking at your website for a long time now. I want to thank you so much for your views on things. It is really refreshing to get a point of view that is similar to mine. I often get really frustrated with Christianity, and how unrealistic it often is. I am sometimes ridiculed by my Christian friends because I hardly ever listen to Christian music, read Christian books all that often, or live your typical "Christian life" if there even is one. I hardly ever listen to Christian music because it all is too gooey and does not challenge me in the way non-Christian music does. If you really listen to what some of the artists out there are saying, it's pretty amazing. It is very encouraging to hear that you are challenging others to live outside of the "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle. Please keep up the good work. Your newsletters always challenge me, and encourage me to be living in a way that is not stagnant, and is constantly questioning and seeking out the real truth.
Thank you so much.
Sharon Bentall. <>< :)


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