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Subject: Newsletter 26
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001
From: Joe Castillo
David, I am
sorry that you had a bad experience with caustic Christianity.
Two thoughts that would help you.
1. We were
warned by Christ that we as Christians were going to face persecution.
It does show up coming from unexpected places but when we are
angry and critical of the criticisers we fall into exactly the
same type of behavior we accuse them of. We become critical as
well.
2. You may
not be affected by watching "R" or "X" Rated movies (there is
often very little difference) but many are, and many are fearful
of the negative inffluence it will have on themselves and their
children. The influence of satan is very obvious in any form of
media produced by the world. It is not the rating it is the content
and as Christians we are admonished to keep our selves unspotted
by the world. Some can watch and not be influenced many cannot.
Those who cannot often become fearful. Be tolerant of them even
as you would want them to be tolerant of you.
PS I have
benefited from your web site. Thank You.
Joe Castillo
Pastor of Northridge Church
Richmond KY
Response:
Absoluetly. It is always the intent of the heart. Thanks -David
LIST
OF COOL CHURCHES
Subject: Newsletter 26
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001
From: "Trone D. Tahran"
David, Thanks
for your work. : ) I live in the DC area and have lived in Minnesota,
Hawaii, and a few places overseas doing missions work. Some of
my Christian friends (who tend to be artists and/or former unbelievers)
and I have discussed the difficulty of finding good fellowships.
I am thankful to God, however, for being faithful to lead me to
some very excellent fellowships in each of the places I have lived.
I'll list some of the best here from west to east, with links
if available:
MAUI: The
best ones I found were part of the Calvary Chapel group of churches.
There's a map here with contact info and links: http://www.islandhope.org/
I went to Hope Chapel in Kihei when I lived there and have a friend
who pastors one in Lahaina.
OAHU: Calvary
Chapel Honolulu 1190 Nuuanu Ave Honolulu, HI 96817 (808) 524-0844
http://calvarychapel.com/honolulu/
HAWAII (the
Big Island): Calvary Community Church PO Box 5226 Kailua Kona,
HI 96745 (808) 329-1448 The Pastor, David Rees-Thomas, is a godly
and spiritually- sensitive man, and the worship here was excellent.
MINNESOTA:
NORTHERN/LEECH LAKE AREA: Living Waters Church PO Box 515 Walker,
MN 56484 218/547-1919 ...with Pastor "Rick Moe and the R.L.S.
(Radical Life Support) Band", which has toured hundreds of high
schools giving talks to help kids get their lives together ( http://www.newciv.org/eyes/rescue.htm
)
MINNEAPOLIS:
Church of the Open Door http://www.thedoor.org/
NEW YORK:
The Village Church http://www.villagechurchnyc.com
...in Greenwich Village.
WASHINGTON,
DC: Frontline http://frontline.to
...the place to be on Sunday nights in DC; a great place to meet
people, worship to great music, and get some consistently-excellent
teaching; there are about 1,600 every night between both services.
Hope that
helps.
Trone
COMMENT
Subject: Newsletter 26
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001
From: Wendy
Hi! David,
I'm sorry that the people at that Church treated you like that.
Their behaviour and attitute towards you does not set a very good
example of Christianity at all. You I was thinking recently how
many Christians complain about the way they're portrayed on TV
and movies. For example, the Christian characters on the Simpsons....fire
and brimstone 'Rev Lovejoy and the nerdy 'Ned Flounders. And even
though I don't neccesarily like the fact that Christians are often
portrayed that way, because despite your unfortaunte encounter,
I know that not all Christians are like the latter. However with
the attitude and actions of some Christians, I can help but feel
that they bring that negative,unflattering portrayal, on themselves.
Maybe if we as Christians were more compassionate, patience, loving,
merciful, and understanding, instead of been critical, judgemental
and pretty much acting like we're God himself, than I think Christians
would be getting a more positive positive and reception in the
media. I know that as Christians we will be persecuted, as the
Bible says. But the Bible also says to 'love your enemies'. As
for 'R" movies. Actually most of the movies that have been mention
are rated 'M" here in Australia. Our rating system is a little
different. I do watch 'R' (M) movies, and there are some that
I like and some I don't like. For example, I don't like movies
where Satan is shown as some comical charater in a red suit. I
prefer movies like the Exorcist, the Omen or Stephen King's The
Stand, where Satan is shown more in his true colors. I know that
the above movies are often frowned upon by some Christians, because
they believe that they're santanic. But I ask, wouldn't you rather
see a 'R' film like the Exorcist, where non-Christians can see
who and what the enemy is, than some 'G' or 'PG' film where the
enemy is shown has some comical guy in a red suit? R rated truth
or G rated lies?
God Bless, Wendy
Response:
Thanks, Wendy. -David
A
GOOD CHURCH IS HARD TO FIND
Newsletter_26
Subject: Carronvale Rd Christian Church, in Mooroolbark, Victoria,
Australia
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001
From: greg
Maybe like
"A good woman is hard to find", a good church is hard to find.
But when you do, stick to it! I go to a small 'Christian Brethren'
assembly in Victoria, Australia. I'm a post-modern hippy, a hang-over
hippy who now celebrates the post-modern freedom for people to
publicise their spirituality. I have more opportunity to witness
today than back in the 70's. I've accepted the sacrifice Jesus
went through to rid me of my sins, and am sealed with his Spirit.
My church,
the Carronvale Rd Christian Church, in Mooroolbark, Victoria,
Australia, has opened it's doors to all people. We have welcomed
the straights, the bent, the old, the young, the hurt (the majority),
the searchers, etc.
We do find,
however, that all these different types find it a bit hard to
hit off together anyway! So the population floats a bit. I have
both enjoyed Hollywood Jesus and highly recommended it to the
church members.
Catchya up there...... Greg Carrick
My
response: Wow, a post modern hippy. I love it. You are right the
"hurt" are the majority. Sensitivity, openness, and
embrace needs to be absolute realities. -David
MAINLINE
CHURCH WHERE"SINNERS" ARE WELCOME!
Newsletter_26
Subject: Christ Lutheran Church, Wyoming, Michigan.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001
From: "David Wheeler"
Just a quick
response from Christ Lutheran Church (ELCA) in Wyoming (Grand
Rapids area), Michigan. Our recently retired Pastor had a sign
over his office door which read "Sinners Welcome." This very aptly
describes his ministry and that of our church. He left a legacy
of acceptance of all who came to our place of worship. No one
was to be turned away. He believed that our job was to love as
Christ loved, living the life of a forgiven sinner who is justified
by God's grace alone. We had a gay organist and choir director
for almost 20 years, however, I must admit that few in our congregation
knew it. Having said that, I am confident that had he revealed
this he would have been accepted by our members.
We have been
blessed with consistent growth over the past 20 years, being able
to attract a variety of people across a wide spectrum of faith
and life experiences. I believe that is due to the atmosphere
of acceptance that people experience when coming to us. So, we
are out here. Don't let your encounter with that group of "pseudo-christians"
discourage you.
Yours in Christ,
Dave from Christ Lutheran
My
response: Pseudo-Christians are bountiful, for sure. May such
folk come to understand the compelling compassion of God and then
reflect it.
FLAMING
LIBERAL CHEERLEADER
Newsletter_26
Subject: Thank you
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: JCL
I am a flaming
liberal Christian who gets a lot -- A LOT -- out of your insightful
comments. I pray for you because you are my brother. I delight
in you because God has gifted you with wisdom. Perhaps some conservative
someday will see some wisdom in my foolish ramblings, but -- as
the sermon went today: It isn't as important to be "right" as
it is to be loving. You're loving. God will definitely reward
you for that.
JCL (one of your closet cheerleaders) jcl@swcp.com
My
response: I believe it was the great saint and martyr John Lennon
who said, "Love is all you need." To that and to you,
I say "Amen!" -David
WHY
IS IT?
Subject: R rated Christians Newsletter_26
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001
From: Paul Arnott
Dear David
Thanks for your comments on this topic. Why is it that so many
so-called pagans display more honesty and sense than so many so-called
Christians? But then didn't Jesus experience the same tensions?
Paul Arnott.
My
response: Yes, praise God for the wonderful variety of people.
Life would be so dull if everyone was a cookie cutter Chrsitians.
That would be hell on earth for me. I would rather die. Life would
not be any pleasure at all. I need freedom. I need to keep my
mind. Three cheers for honest pagans -they help keep me challenged.
-David
I
GOT TO KEEP QUIET
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: Mark
Hey, David
I really liked your arcticle about "R-rated Christians". Although
I do feel that it is dangerous for me to watch a lot of sex and
violence, I agree with you about people's attitudes. I go to a
Christian college. The library is starting to bring in some R
rated movies. Some kids are badmouthing the librarians and judging
the school because of the movies. Even though some r-rated movies
are dangerous for me watch, like "Whipped", I hate how people
say in order to be a Christian you can't watch R-rated movies.
If you do, people do what they did to you; they accuse you of
not being saved. I know from what you have written that you visit
a lot of churches. But don't give up on finding one to get involved
in and make friends at. It took me 3-4 years of college to get
settled at a church. Part of the problem was transportation. But
it was also because of difference of belief. I hope I have been
an encouragement.
Mark
My
response: It is really simple. Viewing or not viewing R-rated
films has absolutely nothing to do with being a follower of Jesus.
Like, oh my gosh, what are people thinking. God bless the librarian.
And, actually I do have a regular church and I am in a weekly
one on one accountability session with a Pastor. I also attend
a weekly nonjudgmental Christian therapy group. I also know that
no church is perfect. In fact if you took me to the perfect church
and I joined it, it would no longer be perfect. I have a long
way to go in becoming all that God has intended. -David
I
HAVEN'T BEEN TO A CHURCH IN A LONG TIME
Subject: Just a comment Newsletter_26
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001
From: Nina
Hi David I
have to say that reading about your experience and the behavior
from our 'Brothers' and 'Sisters' from the church that you visited
has made me feel sad, I can understand their view points and at
the same time I see the points that they miss, I Consider myself
a 'Christian' by the rights of accepting Christ as my Lord and
Savior and at the same time I struggle every day to be more like
him....something that I know that I do fall short from, but the
fact is I try to do this.
Like you I
have for years reflected on spiritual messages from movies and
most of my deeps revalations has been from R-rated horrors, these
movies have been 'the vessel' in which the Holy Spirit has minister
to me through, something that I personally feel is a gift and
like you i get a sense of the signs of the times. Your views are
your personal revelations of the things that God has shared with
you and it is a blessing to have the ability to share this effectively
with others.
I haven't
been to a 'Church' in a long time and at times I yearn to sit
with people of like mind and celebrate freely with them, but am
discouraged with the sense of naivete of inward looking individuals
that remind me of the characters that walked by the injured man
in the story of the good Samaritan.
God is a good
God that encourages us to think and not just to accept, in doing
this I believe that He knows that we will experience a deeper
understanding of His love for us which becomes entwined with our
personal Faith and sometimes I know that He would also have me
believe with out question unless He reveals to me otherwise.
I suppose
what I wanted to say was that some "Brothers and "Sisters" no
matter how long they have been christians will always miss the
point if they continue to move with God in an head knowledge manner
and not with a heart of compassionate for the needing, I don't
mean to come across as judgmental of christians as a whole, but
the fact remains that there will always be the Pharisees and disciples,
which doesn't help our potential 'Brothers' and 'Sisters' who
watch and observe.
At the same
time David I know that sometimes I'm not always right and that
God always has a way of letting me know about this, the difference
here is remembering not to react, so to get a point across, because
i don't know what God is doing in that other persons life, but
to stand back and reflect so that God gives me the understanding
and ability to appropriately respond or not. I hope that this
encourages you and enforces that at the end of the day it is about
the difference He has made in you that really counts.
nina.
My
response: Thank you for your honesty. And thank you for your encouragement.
I appreciate it. You are so sweet. May God bless you on your spiritual
journey. Do check out other churches in your area, there must
be a Cool Church somewhere near you. -David
COOL
CHURCH
Newsletter_26
Subject: FOR THE LIST
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: EGrant
David, I was
saddened to read your comments about the "closed -minded" Christians.
I would want to ask them how many people they have reached for
Christ in the last year or so? Real people who are not yet Christians
can "smell" fake Christianity. Keep up the good work!
Pastor Ed Grant
~ New Life Christian Center
~ 16575 SE Webster Rd
~ Milwaukie, OR 97267
503-653-0174
~ www.newlifemilwaukie.com
My
response: There is absolutly nothing attractive about a close
minded Christian. There is nothing as beautiful as the person
who can love you and me "Just as I am." -David
MIXED
EMOTIONS
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: Ron Wheeler
When I read
the reaction to you from those shallow Christians I was crushed.
I've been in Christian publishing (I'm a cartoonist) for over
20 years and have dealt with all types of denominations and fellowships,
and I've never had an encounter like yours, although I've experienced
a few whacky things (I once had to redraw Jesus because his hair
was touching his collar).
But I also
can understand the other side too. We homeschool and love the
purity and innocence we have preserved in our children. Inappropriate
movies can rob that innocence. In Romans 16:19 Paul admonishes
us to be innocent about what is evil and wise about what is good.
You may not be compelled to violent or nudity because of what
you see in those movies, but others might be. I know that my own
thinking and perspective coarsens if I've been exposed to inappropriate
things. I'm weak in this way. I don't dare go near pornography
because of its gripping affect. If I wasn't susceptible this way,
the advertising industry wouldn't spend billions of dollars every
year to make an impression in my mind that would affect my behavior.
Thus these
people may have had their heart going generally in the right direction
but they obviously didn't express themselves very appropriately
or seasoned with much grace. They should have focused on their
own weakness for such things and given you space to do what you've
been called to do.
I think what
you do provides a valuable service to the body of Christ. We need
to stay culturally relevant for the sake of the Gospel. Hang in
there. I know it's hard. Go easy on those who are clumsy about
such matters. It's frustrating I know. You are providing a good
service. Try not to have a knee jerk reaction in the opposite
direction.
Blessings,
Ron Wheeler http://www.cartoonworks.com
PS: Hey! Check
out my new web site ...http://www.CartoonOfTheDay.com
. It is so cool! You can now read a different one of my cartoon
tracts every day. You can also put my FREE "CartoonOfTheDay.com"
button on your web site so you can present a fun, humorous, witness
to all your visitors as well. Over 35 million of these tracts
in print have been passed out. They work!
My
response: Ron, words will never express my appreciation for your
artistry. You are tops in my book. Thanks for your thoughts. I
love you man. -David
COOL
CHURCH
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: Darrel Manson
I'd like
to just say that you could pick a Disciples church, but I know
that there are some that can be a judgmental as anyone else. However,
I do think that the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) is
an the whole open and non-judgmental. We certainly don't invite
anyone to check their brains at the door. In fact, what has at
times chased people away from our church, is the power with which
judgmentalism and simple answers are attacked --not by me, but
by lay folks who have struggled throughout their lives to figure
out what it means to live faithfully in the life Christ has given
to us.
-- Darrel Manson ><>
Artesia Christian Church ICQ 5624184
Artesia, CA
http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch01198
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been
hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. --Leroy "Satchel" Paige
My
response: Darrel, thank you for being my friend. I always appreciate
you. I hope to visit your church some day. -David
CHECK
OUT IMAGE
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: Ken
Have enjoyed
your web site. Thought you might be interested in an article that
I thought was fantastic.
Bailie, Gil.,
"Cinema and Crisis: The Elusive Quest for Catharsis," in IMAGE:
A Journal of the Arts & Religion. Summer 1998, #20. ( That whole
issue in subtitled "Screening Mystery: The Religious Imagination
in Contemporary Film" and is primarily dedicated to film).
In the journal,
Bailie is quoted as being: a lecturer and writer whose book, "Violence
Unveiled", has been called "breathtaking" (Rollo May) and "the
single most important book of social analysis and prophetic theology
to appear in our generation" (Sam Kean). He is founder and director
of the Florilegia Institute in Sonoma, California.
The same issue
has many other articles on film, including: Sacrificing Images:
Violence and the Movies, by Ronald Austin (Hollywood writer and
producer). Looking for Reel Religion, by Michael Morris, O.P.
(Dominican Priest)
Other issues
carry articles about P.T. Anderson (Magnolia was SOOOOOOO great),
and Kieslowski, among others.
Their website
is: www.imagejournal.org, and contains info on back issues, their
annual conference, and philosophy.
Hope you have
time to enjoy some of their interesting and stimulating thoughts,
Ken
My
response: This publication is so cool. I invite everyone to check
it out. -David
R
RATED PASTOR
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: "Thomas Karwaki"
Your site
is the one I tell other pastors (and even seminary professors)
to go visit if they want a Christian perspective on films, music
and culture.
Keep up the
good work. I use your site regularly in preparation for sermons
- and yes we even use them like Jay Leno -- with clips and a member
of the audience setting them up -- and why they like the movie
/ how it helps them understand God or whatever the subject is.
In the Old
Testament, especially in Hosea, one finds that the fundamental
sin is not being open to God. The people who attacked you are
by definition not Christian.
Tom Karwaki
Littlerock (WA)
United Methodist Church
My
response: Gosh, I really want to visit your church. Thank you
for the affirmation. Not being open is a terrible sin indeed.
God love you. man. -David
I
GOT TO KEEP QUIET
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: Sherri
I attend a
church that is part of the Evangelical Covenant Church denomination.
One of the things that drew me to the church was the basic non-doctrinal
nature of the denomination. As one person puts it: "In essentials,
unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity" And
for the most part this holds true. Many in our small congregation
(about 100 people in a midwest urban area) are willing to "agree
to disagree" about some points of view - but not about what the
Bible says. In fact, another phrase commonly used in discussions
is "WIIW - Where Is It Written?".
Yet even though
the denomination as a whole is fairly open-minded our church here
has some folks who seem to fit a more fundamentalist mold. And
so while I am very open-minded about many things, I know to keep
my views to myself with some church members so I don't offend
them or begin heated debates. I know these are truly Jesus-loving
Christians, they just tend to take a more hard-line literal interpretation
of the Bible than many people I know. Yet we all agree our God
is a loving, forgiving God who wants the best for all of us.
So while I
personally have no theological problems with R-rated movies, abortion,
homosexuality, or many other "hot button" issues, I attend worship
with a fair number of people who find these things to be contrary
to their understanding of the scriptures. I can sit side-by-side
and worship, and I can even have the ocassional discussion about
these issues, but I usually refrain so I don't cause dissention
or discord.
My two cents - for whatever it is worth,
S. Goodwin
Response:
And thank you. I like your 2 cents worth. I am also sorry for
your experience, especially because I am also from the Evangelical
Covenant Church. I do not attend it now however. But, I was a
great experience for me. -David
WHY
LABEL
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: F.C.
Hello,
Thanks for the regular email. I enjoy checking out your site for
movie reviews, as it looks into symbolism and messages behind
the movies, something I find interesting.
I notice,
though, that in discussing the issue you had with a certain church,
you spoke in such labels - "Christian", "pagan", "athiest" etc.
It is so limiting to label people and creates a segregation between
ideological differences. It is that sort of labelling and sorting
from which judgments and even racism can grow. So why label? Why
the separate email addresses for "Christians" and "pagans". I
can see that it may be easier to pre-sort the responses, but still!
That sounds very narrow-minded on your behalf, to me.
On the subject
of racism, I was wondering if you had any comments about racism
in Hollywood. I saw "Othello" with Lawrence Fishburn last night
and my friend commented that the directors had to get a European
woman to play Desdemona because the white Hollywood actresses
wouldn't be in a naked love scene with a black man. She cited
"The Pellican Brief" and some other movie (I can't recall) that
had a leading black man and a white woman who she believed refused
any romantic interaction between the characters because of the
racial difference. Do you have any comments on this? I am interested
in mixed-race relationships and its portrayal in the media.
Thanks, F.C.
Response:
You are so right about labels. People come in a rainbow of diversity.
In terms of the race thing, I have heard nothing about the situations
you mention. They do not strike me as true. Although, I will say
that all areas in our society, including Hollywood, suffer from
racism. -David
WOMEN
DEGRADED
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: "Tom and Patti Ayers"
I understand
your point of view, however, I disagree that women should not
be degraded in so many R-rated movies. The movie makers so often
include nudity and bad language for ratings. I feel that so many
good movies out there would be much better if they left this stuff
out. It's not needed.
Response:
I agree. -David
COOL
CHURCH
Newsletter_26
Subject: My great church, Westside King's Church
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: "Erin Wiebe"
I just read
your newsletter, and right now I'm crying. You have just described
an element of the last 24 hrs. of my life. (sorry, don't want
to give the story ... maybe another section to send that). I want
to share my church which is INCREDIBLE. Their website is http://www.wkc.org
and is located in Calgary Alberta. It has turned me on to putting
active passionate life what Jesus is really all about. I like
to describe my 'church' a "postmodern community focussed on the
spiritual growth and journey of it's pilgrims using the Bible
as a guidebook." Thank you for your wonderful website. This disciple
of Christ is incredibly grateful for all the work you do.
Erin Wiebe
Response:
I like that: "postmodern community focussed on the spiritual growth
and journey of it's pilgrims using the Bible as a guidebook."
Thank you. -David
GOD
IS HAPPY WITH ME, FAULTS AND ALL!
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: Tim Kretzer
Hi, webmaster
D:
HJ #26 was the first issue that I have rec'd since stumbling across
your website in my research about the Lord of the Rings movies.
I have to
say that after reading your R-rated Christians column I am very
moved to know that there is somone out there who is letting the
Lord touch the lives of people by being an open vessel -- if you
want to use that sorta lingo to explain it.....Personally I try
to stay away from alla the thees and thous category of religio-speak
( not that it's inherently bad, it's just become too stuffy to
me personally because of the experiences I've had with the type
of individuals and churches you wrote about ). Personally, I prefer
to just be myself and let the Lord design me as He will......and
not be ashamed of who and what He made me to be.....He's happy
with me right in the middle of all of my faults and shortcomings.
He's helping
me to be like Jesus more and more and part of that is the patience
to let others, and myself, not be perfect in every way: and be
what He made them to be and not what the "church" thinks everyone
should be......( I personally believe that it's just as valid
and important -- and as much of a "calling", although I don't
like to use that term either -- to the cause of Christ for someone
to be a landscape architect, a comic book artist, a taxi driver,
and nearly everything else as it is to be a preacher, teacher,
missionary, evangelist, etc. ). I think over the centuries we've
come to assign the preacher, teacher, missionary, evangelist and
so on definitions that the Lord did not.....I believe He was speaking
with those terms with regards to their "function" ( which can
apply to a rock musician, grade school teacher, astronomer, etc.
as opposed to what most folks seem to ascribe to them, and that
is a "position" within the "church".
It's refreshing
to come across an apparent open mind and heart ( the only other
person that I get any significant amount of influence from, for
the same reasons, is a gentlemen by the name of Ravi Zacharias
). Saint or sinner, and usually more often than not it's the sinner,
people can see through religious facades......All of us, for the
most part, want honesty and openess.....People being real, being
themselves.......This is fertile soil for the Lord....
Keep up the great work....
Tim Kretzer kretzar@att.net
Response:
Spoken like a true follower of Jesus! -David
WHY
PAY ATTENTION TO MOVIES?
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001
From: David Buckna
OPINION Why
Pay Attention to Movies? http://www.christianweek.org/stories/vol13/no22/editor.htm
"Movies have a way of surfacing many of the deeper questions of
human existence, providing insight into contemporary values and
concerns...Movies, videos, television and music are a natural
bridge between Christians and non-Christians." -ChristianWeek
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