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Subject: The
Essay
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002
From: Regina
Pastor Wright
I read your essays on
Tolkien, and I am glad I read them all before I responded. Your
argument is actually very subtle and easily misunderstood (I read
all your reader's feedback BEFORE your essay, so I can see it has
been). I am not entirely sure, but it seems to me you are struggling
with a problem similar to the problem of a friend of mine's. She was
a pro-life activist who was analyzing LOTR for its strategies
against evil. She concluded that Tolkien, and LOTR typifies an
ineffective "resistance" mentality against evil (which, she would
say, many pro-lifers typify). Many of the conclusions reached were
similar to yours. I was able to change her mind -- I don't claim to
be able to change yours, but I can tell you what I shared with
her.
Now, it is
apparently true from Tolkien's biographies that the learned
professor did have a melancholy temperament, that he had seen
gruesome atrocities during the Battle of the Somme in WWI that made
him more pessimistic and prone to depression, and that he admired
Anglo-Saxon and Germanic literature in which a kind of stoic
pessimism is often present. However, as you have noted, he was a
Christian. He was also a daily communicant (that is: went to church
services daily, a mark of the most devout kind of Catholic, since
one can only receive Communion daily if one practices holy living
and makes regular confession -- the evangelical equivalent is
roughly a person who reads the Bible daily, spends an hour in prayer
daily, and attends services both Sundays and Wednesday nights while
practicing virtue, loving God, and walking in holiness). As a
Catholic convert in a rather anti-Catholic England and a naturally
shy person, he was not inclined to exuberant expressions of his
faith -- most of the time he was fairly private -- but evidence from
letters to family and records of private conversations tend to show
that he could be articulate and passionate about the things he felt
the most strongly about when the occasion arose. He wasn't the type
of Christian who would preach to the crowds but he would "share his
faith" with those persons he came across privately who had questions
about Christ. Fortunately for the Christian world, one of those
persons was C. S. Lewis.
Lewis, who WAS an exuberant person, could and
did preach to crowds. He is easy for we American Christians to
identify with and relate to. Tolkien is less easy to pin down. He
seldom, if ever, used any of the buzzwords Christians pick up on,
and the language he used was that of the pre-Vatican II
Thomistically-trained Catholic, not the evangelical. I would argue
it would be a mistake to interpret his faith as "strained" or
"impoverished," when it seems to me that his faith was easy to miss
or misunderstand.
However, as you rightly noted, it is near to
impossible to judge a person's faith. Let us turn to examining his
works, primarily LOTR.
In the teeth of what I wrote above, I would
contend that the LOTR is NOT foundationally a work that exhibits a
lack of faith in the Christian revelation. Tolkien, with his intense
but private faith and his rigorous theological training, bolstered
by a lifetime of reflection on the Christian mysteries, was
extremely careful that his mythologies meshed perfectly with
Catholic theology and Christian belief.
He KNEW that the world could not be saved by a
race of hobbits or Numenoreans, but that the world HAD in fact been
saved by a race of insignificant desert nomads half a world away --
specifically, by the poor son of a carpenter of the Jewish race. It
was his faith in that hope -- the only hope of mankind -- that
impelled him to ensure that nothing in his mythology impinged on the
uniqueness of both the Jewish revelation and the person of Jesus
Christ, the Son of God.
The men in Middle Earth are pre-Christian and
possibly also pre-Mosaic, even pre-Abrahamic. Certainly if there is
knowledge of the One True God in this world, the privileged people
who know Him are far away from the story. The men of Middle Earth
are "the Gentiles without any ultimate hope," to paraphrase St.
Paul.
Thus Elrond
admits that all the elves can do is "fight the long defeat." Gandalf
says he is Gandalf the White "but Black is greater still." No angel
can destroy Satan's hold on earth. Only Eru the One can do that. And
in pre-Judaic mentality, what devout mortal would dare to imagine
the Holy One Himself becoming flesh? The Moslems still consider this
thought a blasphemy.
There is no salvation in the Elves, or the
hobbits. There is salvation, but in these dark ages before Christ,
there is no real ultimate hope.
Still, there are mysterious glimmerings of
Something More. In hindsight, we see these things as God allowing a
foreshadowing of His plan in the hearts of men, so that when the
Truth was preached to them, they would recognize it. There are the
stories of the gods that die and rise again, whose death somehow
brings life, in every culture. In Anglo-Saxon poetry there is the
mysterious figure of Earendil, the morning-star, who had some
mysterious and forgotten role in pagan literature.
Thus all the
characters in Tolkien's mythology can do is prefigure. Aragorn *in
some ways* can prefigure Christ. Gandalf *in some ways* can
prefigure Christ. So can Frodo *in some ways.* But after enduring a
symbolic Way of the Cross, Frodo fails at the Cracks of Doom because
he is NOT God, but only a creature, and the strength of mere
creatures cannot save the world. It is by the mystery of Mercy, a
quality pre-historic Anglo Saxons (whom Middle Earth men are modeled
on) would not have understood, that the Ring is destroyed.
Tolkien's discipline
was the study of pre-Christian English literature, the literature of
the pagans which had been handed down by Christian authors who
studied it and found embedded in it hints of that blessed hope,
things which found their way there by some mysterious providence of
God, foreshadowings of what was to come. This fascinated Tolkien. As
he told Lewis the night of their famous conversation which led to
Lewis's conversion, myths are embedded with truth, truths
half-realized. "But they are all lies, even though lies breathed
through silver," Lewis the agnostic told Tolkien. "No," said Tolkien
the Christian. "Christianity is the story of a myth that is true."
(Joseph Pearce in his book Tolkien: Man and Myth treats this whole
question very well.)
Why did Tolkien feel the need to "create" a new
mythology? He had on hand the fragments of poetry and literature
from early civilizations, including fascinating fragments about
Earendil and similar stories. He knew that very little Anglo-Saxon
literature had survived -- unlike the Scandanavians, who had many
tales. He had also been fascinated by the mystery of Atlantis, which
he had dreamt about repeatedly since childhood. At some point, he
conceived of an attempt to "fill in the gaps" of Anglo-Saxon
literature using figures from the pieces still extant -- faery
stories, monsters, St. George's dragon, and so on. As a Christian
living in what he knew was a rapidly-growing-post-Christian society,
he might well have wondered if the hope of previous pagans might
have any resonance with the modern pagans. I think he began the
mythology (which from his point of view originally did not include
the LOTR or the Hobbit) out of sheer fascination with the subject
matter. Through the years, he systematically revised the tales to
make them mesh with Christian theology of creation and salvation,
and the Christian understanding of the nature of good and evil. Thus
the "gods" became in the published Silmarillion more like Angels who
don't really create but co-create (or "sub-create") under God, just
as Tolkien himself was sub-creating his mythology. (I believe
Tolkien created the term "sub-creation" which is in itself an
expression of Christian humility.)
Somewhere along the line, he created the
Hobbits, first just to amuse his children. In the Hobbit, the terms
Middle Earth, istari, Lotholorien, Gondor, and other familiar places
and names from LOTR are not used. It is set in a much more generic
fairytale setting, and only later did it begin to get more serious.
Hence the hobbits themselves, as you mention, are almost completely
anachronistic. They have umbrellas, teatime, and tobacco, they have
bound books, waistcoat pockets, handkerchiefs, and watches. Gandalf
even asks for tomatoes in the first edition of the Hobbit! Why is
this? It was because in the beginning, Tolkien wasn't intending the
Hobbit to be set in "his" pre-historic Middle Earth, but in simple
storyland fairy tale. It was only when the publishers insisted on a
sequel to the Hobbit and he started writing another tale about Bilbo
and his journeys, that the tale became "bigger and broader and
longer" as Tolkien writes in the introduction to LOTR, and grew to
encompass part of his elvish histories. The anachronims of the
hobbits annoyed him intensely (it also bothered him that he had
thoughtlessly given the dwarves names out of the Icelandic sagas,
which messed up his internal system of names) and he toned them down
as much as he could. He excised the tomatoes, converted tobacco to
pipeweed, potatoes to taters, and did away with as many Latinisms
and obvious inconsistences as he could. And he also ensured that the
"modern" technology of the hobbits was limited to the Shire and goes
so far as to have Aragorn forbid men to dwell there (ie: and learn
their ways) at the end of the book. No one in Gondor has teatime, or
wears a waistcoat. (I am referring to the authorized biography, Tom
Shippey's books, and Christopher Tolkien's History of Middle Earth
volumes for the above information, btw). The hobbits "dwindle" and
avoid men in later days, not only because of the plot, but also
because Tolkien realized that he had to do away with these
historical anachronisms for the story to remain believable!
All of this to
demonstrate that Tolkien, while not setting out to write a tale to
convert modern pagans, wrote his tale in such a way that he "made
way" for the Christian revelation. He set the scene in the real
world, the "real" historical world where "God created the world and
found it good," "the serpent tempted and man ate" and "all have
sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." It is perhaps fitting
that early Christian writers speculated that Earendil, who figures
so prominently in the Silmarillion, was a figure of John the
Baptist, "preparing the way of the Lord." In the same way, Tolkien's
trilogy is a similar "preparation for the Gospel" that has, in a
mysterious twist of Providence, sowing seeds of truth in the hearts
of many of the modern pagans who read it (one of them, my husband,
now credits Tolkien with converting him). Tolkien points out to many
that the state of the world is wretched (without God), and that
there is a beauty and a sadness in fallen creation whose remedy "is
beyond the circles of the world."
I hope the above succeeds in answering some of
the points you raised that (at the time I visited the site) no one
else had addressed. If I have missed anything, please let me
know.
In our
Savior, the Morning Star Peace and good Regina Doman
Response:
Regina, I wouldn't say that you have missed anything at all. At
the same time, I'm afraid we still disagree to an extent. You have
eloquently stated the "chaff versus the corn" problem
that Finrod and Andreth discuss in Morgoth's Ring. You,
I think, tend to fall in the camp which chooses to celebrate the
corn without really identifying the chaff, or the problems that
the chaff present. I, on another hand, think that the chaff is more
important to discuss and identify, not because the vision presented
is an ineffective means of dealing with evil; rather, because Tolkien's
world becomes far too seductive a distraction from "The Greatest
Story Ever Told." Given the great pains that Tolkien
took to revise his creation subsequent to the publication of LOTR,
I am confident that the author himself was greatly concerned with
the chaff as well. (You are mistaken, though, in asserting that
Tolkien was "extremely careful that his mythologies meshed
perfectly with Catholic theology and Christian belief." Most
of his efforts in this area came about after his public celebrity,
not while his creation remained mostly private; and as Cristopher
Tolkien points out, this was an effort never fully realized.) -Greg
OUTSTANDING INSIGHT Subject: The Essay Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 From: Aric
wow! genius.
it's been obvious to
me for a long time that tolkien was writing myth, not fiction ---
but the whole T-document concept and subsequent critique is really
amazing. i loved the textual criticism discussion. whatever
tolkien's intentions were for this "remythologizing," i've noted a
couple things about its effect on myself and other readers.
first is the way that
LOTR evokes a sense of nostalgic longing for things past. (i believe
lewis referred to this quality as "romanticism.") though his 4th age
seems to point toward modernism, tolkien himself seemed almost
anti-progress, anti-technology. the mechanistic innovations of
"sharky" in the shire are physical manifestations of evil. i read
that tolkien was originally quite shy of using the recently invented
cassette recorder until he heard the results of it. even then, his
first recording of his own voice was a recitation of the Lord's
prayer in gothic, as if to exorcise the machine of any evil
presence. (sorry, i don't remember my sources real well--- i think
that was from a biography by humphries?) i have seen that LOTR (the
books) typically stirs up a longing for what is good and pure, and
perhaps for the supernatural in people. it will remain to be seen
whether the movies have the same result.
secondly but related, is the number of people
that say LOTR (the books again) has changed their lives. in a survey
a few years back (done by parade magazine, i think), the Lord of the
Rings was in the top 10 books that people claimed had changed their
lives. God knows, it changed my life. it's kind of odd how a piece
of literature inspired me to study linguistics which in turn
resulted in me committing my life to foreign missions. strange fruit
for a not-particularly-Christian book. obviously, there were a lot
of other factors in the mix, too. but if it wasn't for LOTR, my life
would have followed a very different path.
thanks for sharing
your insights.
Response:
Thanks for your input, and your kind words! -Greg
A GODSEND Subject: The
Fellowship of the Ring Date: Tue, 12 Feb
2002 From: Shadowdog
I love Lord of the Rings!
It has a lot of spiritual meaning to me! It got me praying
everynight for diferent things. I bet God ment for this movie to
happen!
Response:
Wow! That's quite an effect! I bet you'll start seeing God working
in all kinds of ways in your life. -Greg
ABOUT THAT OTHER STUFF Subject: The Essay Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 From: Joe Admire
Dear Greg,
I've read your
extensive essay on LotR and the comments on the bulletin board with
great interest. With all due respect to everyone who's taking part
in this discussion, I feel that not enough attention has been paid
to the opinions of the author himself, Professor Tolkien.
As it happens, Tolkien
wrote very extensively during his lifetime on "background" issues
relating to his "subcreative" (his term) world, especially in
letters to family members, his publishers, friends and ordinary
fans, many of which are republished in The
Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (edited by his son, Christopher).
There are far too many relevant passages to be able to cite here in
the short space of an email message, so I will simply encourage you
(if you have not already read the book) and all other fans in the
strongest possible terms to seek it out; it should be available at
most public libraries, and I believe it can also be obtained through
Amazon.com's used-book services (if it's out of print).
Tolkien, of course,
wrote much, much more on Middle-earth than what was officially
published during his lifetime. We all know about The Silmarillion, but not as many people
may know about Unfinished Tales, which
was published several years later and fills in important gaps, and
it's likely that only the most devoted fans are familiar with the
sprawling series The History of
Middle-earth, which is essentially a gigantic compendium of all
of the Professor's surviving drafts and notes on Middle-earth,
again, edited by his son, Christopher Tolkien. These books aren't
nearly as easy to read, especially in the early volumes, as the
better-known volumes; for one thing, the material in them is almost
always fragmentary to one degree or another, requiring extensive
editorial interpolation and footnoting, and for another, the style
and manner of writing changes dramatically from the earliest
writings to the latest. Even so, any
Tolkien fan who is seriously interested in the process of how the
Professor came to "sub-create" Middle-earth must read these books.
The names are as follows:
- Volume I - The Book of
Lost Tales, Part I
- Volume II - The Book of
Lost Tales, Part II
- Volume III - The Lays of
Beleriand
- Volume IV - The Shaping
of Middle-earth
- Volume V - The Lost Road
- Volume VI - The Return
of the Shadow Volume
- VII - The Treason of
Isengard Volume
- VIII - The War of the
Ring Volume
- IX - Sauron Defeated
Volume
- X - Morgoth's Ring
Volume
- XI - The War of the
Jewels Volume
- XII - The Peoples of
Middle-earth
All these books are
available via Amazon.com in hardback or paperback, or at local
public libraries.
In the context of religion, I would
particularly call everyone's attention to Volume X, Morgoth's Ring , and particularly to the
long essay, in conversational form, therein titled "The Debate of
Finrod and Andreth". This extraordinary writing represents the
closest Tolkien ever came to explicitly introducing Christian
theology into his sub-creative world.
Even though this document was never published
in the "canonical" works (although it was originally intended as an
appendix to The Silmarillion ), I feel
that it represents some of Tolkien's most important writing on the
subject of religious belief in his "secondary world", and gives the
lie to the proposition that no one in that world looked forward to a
Christian, or more properly proto-Christian, view of world and
personal redemption.
In continuing to read on into the commentary on
the bulletin board, I come across the following passage in which you
replied to The Fish's letter of December 31st:
Though Tolkien longs
for a day when the Divine Economy has more than enough to go
around, I think he sees the Fourth Age (which I read as our own
age) as one in which the Economy is
depressed.
In fact, Professor Tolkien
did not, in his own words, see the
Fourth Age as our own age. As he explains in his Letters he saw our world as really being
more in the "Sixth" or even "Seventh" age, though he never went into
detail about what the dividing points between those ages might be.
However, ever since reading that passage, I have thought of the
Fourth Age as actually being not merely pre-Christian, even
pre-Judaic, but antediluvian - which is to say, before the Flood.
What periods the hypothetical Fifth and Sixth and/or Seventh Ages
might cover is left as an exercise for the reader, though I have my
own ideas.
-Joe-
Response:
Finally, I've been caught. Truth be told, Joe, my coverage of the
movies on HJ is a deliberate attempt to point folk toward the only
work that is truly "Classically Christian," that is, The
Bible. I'm afraid that I cannot in good conscience recommend
that Tolkien fans invest the time and energy in consumption of the
vast bookshelf published as The History of Middle Earth.
Why? Because I truly do not find it nearly illuminating enough to
warrant the effort -- if one believes that time is short, and that
what we do on a daily basis truly matters.
I am currently working on a book that will spell all this out in
greater detail, but will just briefly point out, to those inclined
to pursue Joe's suggestion, that The Debate was a very
late addition to the tradition (1959 at the earliest), and therefore
does not figure in the world of Tolkien's published fiction.
Further, the theology that it presents is no more explicit than
the theology to be found in Genesis or Isaiah. As I have remarked
in my essay, a theology that merely points to a Messiah without
identifying Him is not Judeo-Christian, it's pre-Christian. The
Debate does not make Tolkien's mythology any more Christian
than Judaism or Zoroastrianism. Now, this is not to say that
it's inferior ; I merely think it's important to be theologically
truthful.
I have commented extensively elsewhere on the "Fourth Age"
debate. You should well know, Joe, from your own research, that
Tolkien often contradicted himself on the subject of the timing
and locale for his mythology. Why? Because it was greatly unsettled
in his own mind: he knew what he had actually written (a review
of The Hobbit might be in order), and he knew the theology
was problematic. Hence we are left to judge for ourselves, as readers,
what Age was intended. Tell me, in viewing Peter Jackson's movie,
or any previous visualization of Tolkien's work -- or Tolkien's
own drawings and paintings -- can you really tell me that the Third
Age is all that far removed from Victorian England? Understanding
the Flat Earth / Round Earth dilemma that Tolkien struggled
with through the Fifties and Sixties is enough to address the "changing
of the lands." Understanding the Third Age as antediluvian is
just as problematic. -Greg
GOOD WORK Subject: Tolkien Essay
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 From: Sam Holliday
Mr. Wright,
I enjoyed reading your
essay on spirituality in the Tolkien corpus. However, I was very
much hoping to find references and documentation included. Without
these, it is difficult to interact with the essay on a level other
than simply giving my preferences and suppositions.
You mention in your
response to comments that you are open to other Tolkien sources. Are
you familiar with the following?
- Humphrey Carpenter, Tolkien: A Biography (Boston: Houghton
Mifflin, 1977).
- J. R. R. Tolkien, The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien, ed.
Humphrey Carpenter (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1981).
- William Ready, The Tolkien Relation: A Personal Inquiry
(Chicago: Henry Regnery Company, 1968).
- Colin Duriez, The J. R. R. Tolkien Handbook: A
Comprehensive Guide to His Life, Writings, and World of
Middle-Earth (Grand Rapids: Baker House,
1992).
Of these, only the Letters edited by Carpenter are actually
primary source material, and I have found them vastly illuminating
in my study of Tolkien's spirituality. Carpenter's biography is also
extremely helpful.
You mention in your essay the popular
misconception that Lewis influenced Tolkien. I agree that such would
be a misconception. In fact, the opposite would be more accurate,
according to the Letters and to
Carpenter (I apologize for not having the page references
available). It is widely known that Lewis was an atheist well into
adulthood. It is not widely known that Tolkien played a part in
convincing Lewis to leave atheism and embrace theism.
Thank you for your
time.
Response:
The essay originated as a college thesis, and was extensively reworked
for publication on HJ. David Bruce felt that it needed to be less
formal and academic in tone. I'm afraid the effort has been only
partially successful, so that many, like you, would prefer that
footnotes and bibliography be included. For me, the key sources
for understanding the impact of Tolkien's published work are the
books themselves: LOTR, The Hobbit, The Tolkien
Reader, the Letters, and the version of
the Silmarillion that Christopher Tolkien published after
his father's death. This is the domain of my essay.
Now, what Tokien intended and what he actually did
are two different things, because, like the rest of us, he's human.
To really get at what he felt were the deficiencies of
his creation, one needs to undertake the difficult task of digesting
Unfinished Tales and the now 12-Volume History of
Middle-Earth series. That is not the domain of my essay, but
will be addressed in a forthcoming book; and not surprisingly, it's
easy to see that Tolkien was very concerned about the spiritual
weaknesses of his creation, and how inconsistent it was with both
modern cosmology and orthodox theology. Fortunately, the intense
media attention generated by the movies is bringing a lot more attention
to the spiritual influence Tolkien had on Lewis, among many others.
Tolkien even aided in the English translation of the Jerusalem
Bible . -Greg
THE POWER OF MYTH Subject: The
Fellowship of the Ring Date: Fri, 8 Feb
2002 From: Michael Foster
I saw Lord of the Rings,
and I enjoyed it, but as the fiery debate rages over whether such
movies are "Christian," I asked myself one question - Why did I like
it? I believe that question is satisfied with the power of myth.
Fantasy, by nature, has the means by which to touch on deep levels.
It is this "stirring" of emotion that ignites my imagination and
allows me to experience reality a little differently. As an example,
the The Lord of the Rings presented the age old "good vs evil"
concept in a way that is difficult to describe in words. Let's just
say that it intensified and clarified my understanding. The same can
be said for the theme of "self-sacrafice" threaded throughout the
movie.
I know that
many people didn't like the movie, and some went as far as to take a
righteous stance against it. I can only assume that these people
fear the mystical experience, and, out of an ultimate desire for
security, they opt for the safety of the world in which they are
familiar. As a result, they lash out against anyone and anything
that presents a threat.
Contrary to popular belief, myths and fantasies
are not merely an escape from an overwhelming reality, but rather
they offer insight into the truth within reality.
I am looking forward
to the next two movies. I hope they will maintain the overall tone
and accuracy of the books.
Michael Foster
Response:
I think your words would have been very welcome in the very discussion
that Tolkien and Lewis had the night that Lewis forsook atheism.
At the same time, I would caution you to assume too much. There
are many Christians who see the power of myth as negative in light
of its inherent inferiority to the power of the Gospel. Myth may
contain glimmers of the truth, but it is the Gospel that is the
power of God for salvation. Both myth and the Gospel have their
proper place in God's scheme! -Greg
FAR TOO INTENSE FOR CHILDREN Subject: The
Fellowship of the Ring Date: Thu, 7 Feb
2002 From: Roberta Morey
How this movie got a PG-13
rating is beyond me! It was horrifying and certainly not something I
would take any children to. But because of the rating many children
have probably seen it.
When I read a book, and I enjoy fantasy too, my
imagination conjures up the characters and places. The film helped a
lot in picturing for me the main characters and places. But WHY did
the enemy need to be so horrible. My own imagination wouldn't have
gone this far at all. It is hard to see any good message in the film
when keeping my hand over my eyes so I wouldn't have to look.
Roberta Morey (age 67)
Response:
You're not alone, Roberta. The last time I went to see the movie,
a very young boy, perhaps 6, was seated next to my wife, and there
were times when the poor kid was literally apoplectic! And I remember
being terrified by the forest fire in Bambi... On the other hand,
there seem to be a great many kids who AREN'T terrified by the darkness
in the movie. Perhaps that's not a commendation for our culture...
-Greg
EXPECTATIONS FULFILLED Subject: The
Fellowship of the Ring Date: Wed, 6 Feb
2002 From: "Reid Clark"
For my wife and I, this
was the best movie we've ever seen. We are both avid LOTR buffs and
committed Christians. We have seen it three times and are really
thankful that the movie has been made. Can't wait to see the other
two.
Response:
Unfortunately, you MUST wait to see the other two, Reid! In the
mean time, perhaps HJ can satisfy your appetite. Check out our monthly
feature! -Greg
BRILLIANT BRILLIANCE Subject: The
Fellowship of the Ring Date: Thu 31
Jan,2002 From: "Nick Stamp"
I THOUGHT LORD OF THE
RINGS WAS BRILLIANT!!!!! i've seen it three times and i just can't
get enough of it.
Response:
Well, then, I suggest you see it again! -Greg
A PARABLE FOR TODAY? Subject: The
Fellowship of The Ring Date:
Mon, 28 Jan 2002 From: Jeannette
It's really good. Very
accurate and well planned. I think it's awesome: it's rare I
go crazy over a movie! And I think Tolkien is one of the
best book writers on earth! Is he a Christian? There
seems to be serious and real values seen in the story that are
true. Evil is such a small thing, yet is causes so much
trouble because of it's power, and it's something that needs to be
destroyed. Evil is everywhere, and in the story, there is so
much violence and combat. It's great! But it really
depicts the evil flooding the world. I really see a lot of
depth to the story, and was displayed very well on the screen!
I just wonder how many people see that deep. Can you see true
values that Tolkien might be trying to get across?
I think The Lord of the Rings may be Tolkien's attempt to put some
real religion back into the world. Like Jesus told many
parables with meaning. People could have listened and loved the
story and completely missed the whole point. But if it was 'meant
to be' for that person, they would see meaning behind Jesus'
little stories and believe Him. But that was Jesus who spoke,
and when He spoke, you'd have known He had the utmost authority.
Even the 'religious' people of those days (eg. Pharasees) were
amazed. Too bad they didn't like it that He made them look 'bad.'
Tolkien might be trying to make his own little parable, but since
he is not Jesus, could have missed a few important points. It's
just a theory, but I think I am pretty close!
Response: There is an immense power in words,
and in parables particularly. You show wisdom in pointing out the
difficulty with humans attempting to use parables to express
spiritual truth. -Greg
THAT DARNED ESSAY! Subject: Wrong, wrong,
wrong Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 From: Ric
Although I only scanned
your essay, I was dissappointed that you assumed that C.S. Lewis was
the influence on Tolkiens faith, if there was one. History tells us,
as does Lewis, that Tolkien was the one who led Lewis to Christ and
mentored his vision of creating parables of Christian theology. That
changes your equation.
Response: Well, I hope if you had read the
essay, you'd have seen the notes clarifying that this is not my
assumption, and in fact an assumption I'm trying to
debunk. Thanks for
your interest in truth, though, and I'll try some more revisions
there to clarify my meaning. -Greg
UNRESTRAINED PRAISE Subject: The Fellowship of the Ring Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 From: "Donerleg"
I
cant type into an email what I feel about these books. Lets say
that I believe the Lord brought them to me when I really needed
them. I am so greatful that someone with vision has brought them
to the screen so that when I went to the movie by myself the day
they opened, it was perfect from my standpoint. I did not look for
blunders. I only basked in the beauty and marveled that it was exactly
how I pictured it when I read the books. I personally feel that
the director was God lead whether he knows it or not.
Response:
Isn't it funny how some people can see the books and film literally
as a Godsend, while others see them as the curse of the devil?
I'm glad they had a positive effect on you. -Greg
WORKED UP? WHO ARE YOU
CALLING WORKED UP? Subject: Relax! Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 From: "Mollie
Spaulding"
I love the Lord. I was a ministry major in
college and my husband and I have devoted our lives to the work of
God. And I love fantasy! I loved the Hobbit the first time I read it
in the sixth grade, I loved the LOTR trilogy and I loved
Harry Potter. I loved both movies. Can I still be a Christian and
enjoy these things? Yes! What about Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella?
They had magic and witches. Do people debate over the evil of these
stories? I don't mean to sound harsh, but get over it. I love God
and try to live my life as a Godly woman. I am so impressed with
hobbits. Their bravery and unending loyalty are beautiful to see.
When reading the books, you can see the wonderful people the hobbits
are. And Harry Potter? Let it go. They are good friends. They are
honest with each other and fight evil. Good to me. I think it's
alright to escape every once in a while. Who doesn't want to meet
the elves? I do. Does that make me less a Christian? I believe God's
grace covers my weakness for fantasy and science fiction. If it
doesn't cover that, we humans are in serious trouble.
Response: You are right in observing the
inconsistency in contemporary paranoia about magic
in entertainment. I think it's the fact that
grotesque amounts of money are now being generated by the public
interest in this stuff, and that seems to get a lot of
attention... In addition to God's grace, we can also be
thankful for his Spirit which can deliver us from our weaknesses,
whatever they might be! -Greg
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