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Have you seen The Fellowship of the Ring?
What is your take on the Tolkien trilogy?

Commentary by Greg Wright



Reader Comments, Page 8


These pages were assembled from reader comments between January of 2001 and May of 2002.
These pages were last updated on May 31, 2005.

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TOLKIEN CHRISTIAN?
Subject: JRR Tolkien is Right Newsletter 31 
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002
From: "Tyler Steingard"

I know for a fact that C.S. Lewis was a well known Bibal scholar, but I didn't think that JRR Tolkien had much to do with Christianity or the Bible... does he have any biblically based books (like Lewis' Mere Christianity)?
Thanks, Tyler Steingard

Response: Tolkien introduced Lewis to Jesus. So the answer to your question is: yes, Tolkien was a Christian. And, no, he did not write a book like Mere Christianity. -David

Response from Tom Orr: In response to whether Tolkien wrote any explicit commentaries on Christian faith, you're right that he didn't pen anything quite like Lewis's Mere Christianity, but he did write a very interesting essay called "On Fairy Stories," in which he argues that all stories of imagination anticipate, and are moving toward, the One Great Story of Jesus Christ and the redemption of the world. It's included in a delightful little book called The Tolkien Reader (may not be in print these days but probably available at a good library). Peace. --Tom Orr

MISSING THE JOY IN LIVING
Subject: Newsletter 31 -Tolkien and Lewis
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002

Hi David, All this talk about the good and evil of current movies is wearing me out, as I'm sure it is many people. I feel like Christians try so hard to figure out if something is right or wrong that they often miss most of the joy in just living. I saw Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. I have no connection to the occult world and to me it was a breath-taking movie that was entertaining from beginning to end. I also saw Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring (twice already). I was absolutely engrossed with this movie and enjoyed every second of it. With both movies I felt like my deepest worship of God was in enjoying the gifts and talents of those who had the ingenuity to create such imaginative stories and bring them to life for the rest of us. I felt no sinister force or pull towards Satan. My heart thrilled with the emotional highs and lows of both movies and I left the theater feeling like I had been on tremendous adventures.

I believe that there are times in life when we should just find joy in living and breathing and spending time with those we love. That too is pure worship of God. I cannot believe that our loving, merciful, gracious Abba finds fault in fairytales and imagination. He created us to use our gifts and talents to the best of our abilities. The people who created these stories and made the movies have tremendous talent and imagination. I was completely swept away by the movies and enjoyed the experiences immensely.

Thank you for all you do. I look to your website constantly for positive aspects to find in current movies and you never let me down.
Kimberly Wenger

Response: You are welcome. And thanks for your Right-On words. -David

DRUTHERS AND BILL'S MONEY
Subject:  LOTR: FOTR
Date:  Tue, 01 Jan 2002
From: Gil

It is always a difficult and treacherous undertaking when a director or/and those involved decide to approach and tackle a project all ready set in people's minds in the form of a novel.  I first read The Hobbit and LOTR about 20 years ago. Obviously I was completely captivated and transformed to another realm of time and place and happy to say I have as yet to recover.

When I first heard that LOTR was to be turned into a film, I like others were slightly dismayed and a bit concerned due to the possibility of something so precious (no pun intended) being "ruined."  Following the release of trailers and sneak previews on the internet greatly alleviated my fears of someone doing a semi poor job.  Peter Jackson has done a masterful work in realizing to cinema The Lord Of The Rings: Fellowship Of The Rings.

If I had my druthers and Bill Gate's money I would film EVERYTHING in the LOTR and follow it up with The Hobbit.  I am not Mr. Gates and I doubt that this will ever happen. Therefore It has to be said that everyone involved with LOTR:FOTR have given us a great film for decades to come.  The DVD should be at least 4 1/2 - 5 hours long.  Anything less would be orcish.

I'm a Gen X'er and somewhat disagree with the tone of your review.  Don't critique the film through the filter of hype.  Nothing ever lives up to hype, but I will say that FOTR has been the one that has gotten closer than any other film.  Please critique it on face value.

God Bless
Gil


Response:  Thanks for your input, Gil!  -Greg

JACKSON'S TREATMENT OF THE GANDALF/CHRIST PARALLEL
Subject:  Gandalf's Death Scene 
Date:  Tue, 1 Jan 2002
From:  Doug

Hello Greg.  That was a thought provoking essay.

I very much enjoyed the film, knowing full well that a 3-hour film treatment, or even a 6-hour one, could never do the book justice, so I think I went into it fairly open-minded.

I see you have had a lot of feedback from folks who know more about the subject than me, so I will focus solely on one visual from the film...

I have understood for several years that Gandalf's death scene on the bridge was supposed to be symbolic of the crucifixion.  That said,  Gandalf's fall into the abyss in the cruciform posture sent chills up my spine.  I was very pleased that this spiritual element survived the Hollywood treatment.  I can't wait for Gandalf's return (in spirit-form!) in the sequels!  It's ironic to me that Gandalf is played by (from what I remember from another web site) and agnostic, and that the evil wizard is played by Christopher Lee, who I believe is a Christian in real life.  I might be wrong here, but
I hope not.  I used to have a large book titled: The Films of Christopher Lee.  I learned from this book that Mr. Lee appeared on a British Christian tv program ("Stars on Sunday") where he talked about the forces of good (usually represented by the church) defeating evil in most of his Hammer horror films.  He then went on to read several Psalms using that deep, rich voice of his.  I wish I still had the book.  It felt good to see him get such a good part in such a huge movie like LOTR.

God Bless America,
Doug
 

Response:  Glad you enjoyed your visit.  I am unaware of either actor's religious beliefs.  -Greg

A CIVIL EXCHANGE OF IDEAS
Subject:  LOTR Essay
Date:  Tue, 1 Jan 2002
From:  T. Quinn

I thought it was a thought-provoking and informative essay.  I enjoyed reading
it.  I appreciate the exchange of thoughts and ideas, and the challenge to
explore literary themes.  It is does not bother me if I find I have a different
view -- my mind is educated by the exchange.  I appreciate your thoughtful
essay, and the time you spent in preparing it.

--T. Quinn

Response:  You are very welcome.  And thank you for taking the time!  -Greg

CHRISTIAN STORY HARD TO FIND
Subject:  "Lord Of The Rings"
Date:  Mon 31 Dec, 2001
From:  Lori

Thank you for your comments on the story. I went to see the movie with my son and have read The Hobbit and I have come out this believing that Tolkien was not writing a Christian story. It is his imagination and that is all it is. After reading about his life, I would have to say I don't see any signs of Christianity in it. I see he was raised by a priest and  in the Catholic church. He worship in the Catholic church, but that does not make a person a Christian. And even if he was a Christian, that does not make the story Christian. It is just a imaginary story that probably came about when he was so sick from Trench fever.

I came out of the movie not sensing any Christianity from it. Thought it focused to much on the evil instead of good. And it made good look whimpy.
Thank you.

Lori
.

Response:  Funny how that could be the case, given that Tolkien thought he was writing a Christian story...  Remember, though, that a lot gets lost in translation to the screen; and this is only part one of three, too.  Good may turn out much less "whimpy" in the end...  Thanks for visiting!  -Greg

ABOUT THAT TECHNOLOGY THING...
Subject:  Tolkien and Middle Earth
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001
From: Pete  

Hi Greg,

I read through your essay and all the responses. Man, don't people have anything better to do than argue about worlds that don't exist?-) Thanks for all the time and effort, everyone! I learned a tonne tonight sitting and reading through all of this.

I just have a couple of comments to add that I haven't seen anyone else offer to the discussion.

Firstly, much has been said about the various Christ-like attributes seen in several of the characters in LOTR, but that no one character is Christ in an allegorical sense. It struck me that this is similar to the Old Testament.  Many of the OT characters (Moses, the judges, Samuel, David, etc.) had attributes of Christ and in this way looked forward to or prophecied about him in an incarnational sense. Perhaps this was what Tolkien was trying to do with his "history" of Middle Earth.

Secondly, you've made several comments about the amount of technology available at the end of the Third Age, as if this was proof that it's not meant to be a prehistory of our age. I don't agree with those who think that Tolkien wrote a prehistory for our world, since it's quite clear from his writing that it was a story for story's sake. However, I think it's a bit of cultural arrogance to assume that we are at the height of technology in all areas and that any other period of history is technologically backward compared to us. There is evidence that all the great cultures (Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Chinese, etc.) were ahead of us in some way or another, having found ingenious ways to solve problems that we have yet to solve, or solve in a much less sophisticated manner. The amount of technology available is not a strong argument against Tolkien's writing a prehistory of our Age.

Again, thanks to everyone (and especially you, Greg) for all the work. Much appreciated.

In Christ,
Pete

Response:  Thanks for you abundant kindness, Pete!  You're right that we tend to be a bit ethnocentric about technology.  What nags me about the technology present in LotR, though, is how closely it resembles all the technologies emerging in the period which was the Professor's own philological specialty.  That makes the technology uniquely Medieval Western European, not Egyptian, Sumerian, Roman or Chinese.    -Greg

MORE NOTES FROM THE AUTHOR
Subject:  I am immensely pleased... 
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001
From: The Fish

...with your site.  Thank you for inviting responses to your interesting essay on Tolkien's mythology. 
 
I wonder if you have yet read Tolkien's Letters?  It has been out of print but recently returned due to the movie, & I was delighted to get a copy for Christmas.  I haven't finished reading it yet, but there is much material in the book pertinent to questions you raise in your essay.
 
The spiritual imagery was certainly by design, in fact  he called it a Christian work, "unconsciously at first, consciously in the revision."
 
The T-mythology posits, in fact a pre-Christian world. Tolkien specifically states of LotR:
The Fall of Man is in the past and off stage; the Redemption of Man is in the far future.  We are in a time when the One God, Eru, is known to exist by the wise, but is not approachable save by or through the Valar, though he is still remembered in (unspoken) prayer by those of Numenorean descent. (Letters, no. 297)
Eru has not "condescended to walk the earth" because He has not done so yet.  Think of Middle-Earth along the lines of C.S. Lewis' question, "If there were a world with talking animals, how would God manifest himself there?" (a paraphrase, I'm afraid.)  Read instead, "If God had created the world with multiple sentient races, and given angelic beings charge over it for a time, how would they have fared?" 
 
You state, "The T-mythology is not only the story of how...supernatural forces...shaped our world, it is the tale of how those magical forces have left our world."  These magical forces progressively leaving the world; the Valar, the land of Numinor, the Elves, the Istari, are not leaving man to work out his destiny alone.  Yes, now comes the time for the Dominion of Man.  Now comes the time, in fact for the dominion of the Son of Man.  The supernatural powers of the first three ages have not left man alone, they have gotten out from between him and the One.  All through the long ages Eru Illutuvar (sp?) has never abandoned Middle-Earth, and will not--though all his "supernatural" servants may throw in the towel.  When Gandalf spoke to Frodo about his having been meant to have the ring, it was not Manwe he was speaking of, but the One.  Manwe had no such control.  Eru alone can reach in and order the fate of individuals so directly.
 
As to his motives in creation, you state, "in conceiving the T-mythology, Tolkien must have seen a need to create a new mythology for the modern world.  That is, he must have perceived that the existing western mythologies, including the Judeo-Christian tradition, failed to account for the world as we know it."  You must know that Tolkien considered "sub-creation" an activity that honored Creator God--akin to a child imitating his father.  That alone is sufficient justification for T-mythology, however, you come very close in understanding his dissatisfaction with western mythology.  Tolkien was attempting, among other things,  to create a mythology for England on a level with the Norse sagas and other "northern" mythos.  He rejected the Arthurian legends for the purpose on the basis of their large French influence and post-Christian status.  As for the Judeo-Christian tradition, Tolkien would never have classified it as western and probably not mythology.  I think he would be more likely to call it history.  Eastern, if it needed to be clarified.  Middle-Earth is a pre-christological pagan worldview, if you must, one that would be eminently convertible to Christ.  Harumph.  There is no question of Middle-Earth replacing Sacred Scripture, or making up for anything God's own Story lacks.
 
As for a pragmatic Christianity with no place for grace, the Holy Spirit or forgiveness--Let Tolkien speak for himself.  This is from Letters, no. 246, on Frodo's supposed failure at the Cracks of Doom. 
Frodo was given 'grace':...in his resistance to the temptation of the ring...and in his endurance of fear and suffering.  But grace is not infinite, and seems in the Divine economy limited to what is sufficient for the accomplishment of the task appointed to one....   
Frodo had done what he could and spent himself completely ( as an instrument of Providence) and had produced a situation in which the object of his quest could be achieved.  His humility...and his sufferings were justly rewarded...and his exercise of patience and mercy towards Gollum gained him Mercy: his failure was redressed. 
So for his imaginary world.  In the real world?  Can contemporary religious service only pay lip service to the supernatural?  No, his was a faith that was sure the things of God were even more real and vital than those of everyday life.  His letters speak as freely of the spiritual realm and the forces of good and evil conflicting in the world as they do of his friends and daily activities.
 
I apologize for not providing "quotes" at this time to support the above paragraph but find I am running out of alertness and need to go to bed.   If you request, I'll dig you up more quotes another day.  But please avail yourself of  a copy of Letters, and you will find quotes on not just LotR, but communion, faith, marriage, WW1, WW2, the Simarillion, the Valar, grace, C.S. Lewis, the works of C.S. Lewis, the motorcar and the local fishmonger.
 
RE:  movie
 
Casting:  A+++
Acting:    A+
Scenery:  A+++
Screenplay:  B-  some legitimate cinematic alterations, others that made no sense. 
 
Thank you for you patience, I hope I haven't gone over too much previously traveled ground.  I apologize for any late-night lapses or failure to make sense.  Your essays truly intrigued me and resonated with my recent joy of discovery of a deeper faith than I had seen before in Tolkien's work.
 
the Fish
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Response:  I'm glad you are able to convey kind thoughts about my thoughts, without necessarily agreeing.  Your view is consistent with the Salvation History view, which has merits.  Again, though, I have trouble with this view.  In the Scouring of the Shire, where is the grace in God's divine economy?  Though Tolkien longs for a day when the Divine Economy has more than enough to go around, I think he sees the Fourth Age (which I read as our own age) as one in which the Economy is depressed.   -Greg

BELIEVE IN SOMETHING
Subject:  The Fellowship of the Ring
Date:  Sat, 29 Dec 2001
From: Richmond

I have watched the movie 4 times now and could watch it 4 more. I absolutely loved the landscape and language was so beautiful.  I think this movie is a movie is a must see for all family.  It is so different from most hollywood movie and I believe it tells us to believe in ourselves no matter how small we may feel compared to the world. and Most important of all, believe in your friends and your heart.

Response:  I think you have read the movie very well.  Do you think that's Jackson's influence, or Tolkien's theme?  -Greg

ROME SWEET HOME
Subject: The Essay 
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001
From: Rebecca

"And of course, Catholics are Christians."
 
Thank you for stating this.  It did my heart good.  So many of our Christian brothers and sisters have told us that we have walked away from Christ, and are now going to hell since our conversion to Catholisism. Catholics believe that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ's redemptive work on the cross.  By this definition both Catholics and Protestants are Christians. So thank you, thank you, thank you!
 
In Christ,
Rebecca

Response:  Glad to have been a friendly voice.  Jesus' teaching about the Kingdom of God should lead us all to have a little humility about defining who's "in" and who's "out," don't you think?  -Greg

A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE MOVIE
Subject: Fellowship of the Ring 
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001
From: Thingol

Dear HJ,

I found your review of the Fellowship of the Ring to be quite accurate. As a Gen-Xer, I agree that the movie was much too dark and dirty compared to what Tolkien wrote in the books.

The following is an early version of my own forth-coming review (after seeing it three times):

As a movie (disregarding the books completely), I give it 3 1/2 stars (out of 5). While it was well done, there were some serious flaws. For one, the character development (and other related elements) was very poor for some of the fellowship. Leaving the movie, the non-Tolkien-purist movie-goer asks himself a few questions:

  1. Who the heck is Gimli, and why was he even in the movie?
  2. Why did Merry and Pippin stay with Frodo, Sam, and Strider after helping them get to Bree?
  3. What was the deal with Elrond's line, "You will be THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING"? It had absolutely no meaning. I thought, "So what?" They built it up like it was the most important line of the scene, but it was empty.
  4. What was the point of having Farmer Maggot in the movie? It was extra stuff that was totally unnecessary.

The actors:

  • Gandalf -- awesome. There is a reason he has a "Sir" at the beginning of his name.
  • Bilbo -- same as Gandalf.
  • Frodo -- very well done. Most of what I didn't like about him had to do with the direction, not his acting.
  • Sam, Merry, and Pippin -- great job. Although the exposition was a bit weak, the actors did a good job with what they were given.
  • Legolas -- great job with capturing the essence of Elves.
  • Gimli -- pretty crappy. "If I growl a lot and speak with a Scottish accent, I'll be a believable Dwarf."
  • Aragorn -- fairly well done. I had a hard time believing that an Elven princess would ever fall in love with him.
  • Boromir -- one of the best. There were a couple parts where I felt like he was really acting (that's a bad thing), but overall he was great.
  • Celeborn -- he was a bad actor. He was speaking extra slow for some reason that I couldn't figure out.
  • Galadriel -- again, the slow speaking thing was weird. It was like they were trying to make it all really mystical. Other than the slow speech, her acting was excellent.
  • Arwen -- more slow speech. What's the deal with that?
  • Saruman -- very well acted with what he was given.
  • Lurtz -- for a half-human, he sure growls a lot like a monster.

As a purist, I give the movie 2 stars. Now I'll list a few questions from the perspective of a Tolkien purist (remember, the previous questions and statements were from the viewpoint of a regular movie-goer):

  1. Why did Gandalf have Frodo hide the Ring in an envelope? In the book, Frodo keeps it on a chain from the time he gets it to the time Gandalf tells him what it really is.
  2. Why was Bree such a dark place? It was nothing like the book. In the book, it describes it as a pleasant place to live with Hobbits and Big People coexisting quite well, but the Hobbits seem to be the only ones in the whole town...
  3. Why was Aragorn such a pansy? Why did they decide to give him a character flaw -- in the book, Aragorn is never tempted by the Ring. They make it seem like he sends Frodo across the river (which he doesn't do in the book) because he is afraid that he will try to take the Ring like Boromir did. They also tell you that Aragorn chose NOT to be King and that he had pretty much given up his birthright. Aragorn is perhaps the one character in the books that has perfect integrity. They took that away from him.
  4. Elrond is a bad guy? He hates the race of Men? He thinks that Aragorn is a loser? I thought Aragorn was engaged to his daughter...
  5. Why did Arwen steal the show from Frodo, Elrond, and Gandalf (not to mention Glorfindel) at the Ford of Bruinen? The Ford is one of the biggest exposition scenes for Frodo. It shows how he has a strong will by standing alone against the Nine. Elrond causes the river to crash down on the Nine (he uses the Ring of Power that he possesses). Gandalf makes the water look like horses.
  6. What happened to the Golden Wood of Lothlorien? It was more like the Blue and Grey Wood.
  7. Why did Aragorn say at the end of the movie, "Let's hunt some Orc"? At that point, their focus was not at all on killing orcs, but on rescuing the Hobbits.
  8. Why did they put in a big wizards' duel between Saruman and Gandalf? That was totally outside of the realm of what Tolkien created. Tolkien is subtle. It was like Spinal Tap turning things up to 11 when it should be at a 3 or 4.
  9. Why did Bilbo turn into Gollum for a second? That's not how it plays out in the book. Again -- SUBTLETY is needed. I don't need it rammed down my throat.
  10. Why did Aragorn fight the Uruk-Hai? Just so we could have more action in the movie? In the books, it is part of Boromir's redemption to fend off the Uruk-Hai virtually alone.
  11. Why did Lurtz (who shouldn't have been in the movie anyway) just stand in front of Boromir with his bow? It was so Hollywood it made me sick.
  12. Cocoons? Nothing more needs to be said on that one...
  13. Why did Arwen give Aragorn her necklace? In the book, she gives it to Frodo, symbolizing her giving up her immortality and her right to go over the sea to Valinor to Frodo. In giving the necklace to Aragorn, was she giving him passage to the West?

In parting, I want to say that I have enjoyed the movie more each time I've seen it. The things that were done well in the movie (like the entire Shire scene and others) were done exceptionally well. Peter Jackson deserves a lot of credit for attempting such a large task. I fault him only for claiming in the beginning that he was a purist and that he was going to stick very closely to the books -- he did not live up to his word.

Perhaps the books were not meant to be on the silver screen in a condensed form.

"Thingol"
Orem, UT

Response:  Your observations are very welcome.  Thanks for your feedback! -Greg

MESSAGE FROM A WISE MAN
Subject: My Opinion 
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001
From:  Khazaddum 

You are a long-winded fool.

Response:  There is certainly that possibility.  Thanks for expressing the thought so efficiently; others have needed many more words...  -Greg

A WASTE OF THREE HOURS
Subject:  The Fellowship of the Ring 
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001
From:  Dale  

Wow, reading all of these insightful people who have actually read the "Lord of the Rings" books makes me think perhaps I should not write my comments, but I can't pass this up if it will save someone three hours of their lives.  I just went to see what I hoped was a good movie.  I was disappointed.  It was a bad movie.  It was too loud, too gory and too violent.  My daughter had a sick headache after watching it (and she read the book) and my head was throbbing too.  The special effects were very well done - too well done.  If those good guys had killed one more evil guy of some kind, I think I would have croaked.  And sorry, but somehow I can't identify with hobbits and elves.  I'm a Baptist preacher and if the author of this book was trying to explain the Christian message, there is a whole lot simpler way to say it.  Ask the Apostle Paul.   When the Philippian jailer asked him, "What must I do to be saved?"  Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved."  That is a simple message, yet it out-shines every human-created expression ever uttered or portrayed, even with today's special effects. I think we could make movies a lot more entertaining if they didn't try to overly impress us with so much man-made gobble-di-guk. Jesus Christ is my life and Jesus in me said this movie was a waste of three hours of my life.  I recommend you not waste three hours of your life seeing it either.

Dale Larison
Fayette, Missouri

Response:  Where you are at with your own spirituality is certainly going to affect your response to the movie, so I think, for you, your reaction is very legitimate.  For some, this movie may be what the earthquake was for the Philippian jailer. -Greg

PACKED THEATER
Subject: LOTR Review 
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001
From: "Linda Miku Tucson AZ

I just saw the film this afternoon in a packed theater...a little eerie to have an audience STILL for nearly three hours, focused on the screen, little if any jostling, coughing, fidgeting, climbing over knees, and the like. I'm also still letting the visuals sink in, and the whole movie, as a result, so I'm not quite ready to come up with my "review." I do take issue with two of your comments. One is the darkness/dirtiness of Middle Earth. I think that there is great symbolism in autumn in Rivendell--it's October, so naturally the leaves are falling. The Powers That Be also know that danger is growing by leaps and bounds, and things are going to get darker before they get light (and if Frodo's mission fails, there will never be light again). Considering the number of dangerous and violent encounters the characters have, in addition to having to "make due," living on a treacherous road, it is little wonder that there isn't dirt and grime. I was a little surprised, and pleased, that even Legolas comes out worse for wear after nasty encounters with Orcs; he may be an elf, but that doesn't necessarily ensure sparkling clean clothes all the time.

The other comment concerns the potential "flabbiness" of the trilogy, and whether it has the legs to keep an audience's interest for two more films. Considering how Jackson has directed the project, with all films already made, I don't think that the dynamics will falter; I think that there's a good chance they will improve. Like Episode I of Star Wars, FOTR was somewhat hobbled by having to set the stage and provide background for the main story. Unlike Episode I, Jackson *know* the entire story that Tolkien set forth--there are times when I wonder if Lucas knows where his storyline is going.

I was a little sad to find your review disappointing, or rather, to find you disappointed in the film. I think you are right, that this will not make a boatload of money, will not be in the Top 10 of Anything in the long run. I don't think that's what Jackson really intended for it. I think he wanted to try and do right by the literary work, and heaven knows this has been attempted before, with failure more the outcome than success. I did my best not to read too much about the project, not to get my hopes up and buy into the hype--no amount of hype can ever satisfy one's hopes and imagination. I was very pleasantly surprised by Jackson's product. I wish it had been longer, I wish the pacing in some points had been less frenetic, I wish Tom Bombadil had been included. To want these things to have happend probably would've required a mini-series (and in retrospect, the full trilogy is likely to be comparable to a mini-series in length), but one that producers would've been almost guaranteed to have balked at. Jackson did what he could with what he had, and he did very well.
Linda Miku Tucson AZ

Response:  Thanks for your comments, Linda!  After seeing the film a second time, I agree with your assessment of the dirt and grime, and in particular the issue of fall in Rivendell.  It's both consistent with the setting, and the novel.  I am also more hopeful for the next installments, as you are.  I would guess that my first impression was colored a bit by the more romantic visualization of the Hildebrandts.  One thing I didn't notice the first time:  how many times Jackson felt it necessary to work chapter titles into the dialog!  Did anyone else find that irritating?  -Greg

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