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PRAISE Subject: The Movie Date:
Mon, 24 Dec 2001 From: MOOMOOLAND
Unbelievably brilliant. I have been waiting
for this film for 30 years and it is everything I have hoped
for.
J.R.R.'S
ANGELS Subject: Essay on lord of the rings
Date: Mon, 24 Dec From: Corey
Johnson
Tolkien was not influenced by C. S. Lewis. It was the
other way around. Tolkien was actually responsible for the
conversion of Lewis.
Tolkiens whole creation is a prehistory of
earth. The fact that Sauron was defeated did not wipe evil out
from the face of the earth. It would still be there in another
form. Elves, Hobbits, and all the other creatures had to die
out before the redemption of man could begin. Men are the only
ones on the earth now so Tolkien had to get rid of them.(the other
races) The Elvin race is based on angels. They are for
the most part Good. You do not read of any Bad elves in
Tolkiens work. They go to the west which is Tolkiens
representation of heaven.
Once only men were left the redemption of men could
begin. Tolkien did not have a Christ figure because he did not
come to earth in human form yet. That's a story our own
history has already told.
The "gods" you mention were really a higher form of
angels. They all gave obediance to Eru.
Response: You'll know you're not alone in your
opinions if you read many of the comments that follow... Tolkien's
pantheon, both in composition and characteristics,
are classically Greek, don't you think? I don't see how
that makes them angelic, in the Judeo-Christian sense.
-Greg
THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD
OFFENSE Subject: Lord of The Rings
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 From: The Innkeeper in
Brentwood
I have to say that I take offense to your remarks of
the casting. I love Sean Astin and he is a fine actor but I
would not agree that he is the crowning jewel of this film.
The best casting decision was choosing Elijah Wood to play
Frodo. For the past ten years he has been Hollywood's best
kept secret as he is one of the best actors out there ( if you don't
agree check out his early films such as Avalon or Paradise) and is
far and away the best thing about this cast followed by Ian Mckellen
and Viggo Mortensen.
The movie is a well done adaptation except for the
character of Galadriel. Though Arwen's role was expanded the
essence of her character was not changed. yet Galadriel went from
being one the most kind and pure characters to this freaky, strange
one who actually seems to scare Frodo more than encourage him.
I did not like her part at all.
For a movie that was anticipated for two years or more
I think it held its own. Though I question some story
omissions like the elven bread given by Galadriel and how they show
but never mention the signifigance of the elven cloaks, the movie
played incredibly close to the book. Not an easy task for such
a long and complicated story. I cannot wait for the next
installment!
Response: It was kind of funny how Galadriel came off,
wasn't it? Sorry you took offense at my remarks about Mr.
Astin. I guess I just have a tendency to go for the off-beat
choice, rather than the obvious pick. I'm sure Elijah Wood
will get plenty of great review without my help. But remember
when Dustin Hoffman got the Oscar for Rainmain? I thought
Cruise's role was much harder to play... So you can see where
I tend to come from. Are you sure "offended" was the
word you were looking for? -Greg
INQUIRING ABOUT CORRELATION Subject: Lord of the Rings Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001
From: Rachel~
I
have questions concerning the J.R. Tolkien trilogy. It is my
understanding that Mr. Tolkien was a christian and that the story of
Lord of the Rings has direct correlation to christian beliefs. (This
is true) Have I been misinformed? (No you have not) Do you have any
insight concerning this matter or know someone who does? WHere can I
go to obtain this information? Rachel~
Response: You have come to the right place. -David
HP, LOTR AND ENGLISH LIT 101 Subject: Harry Potter, Lord of the
Rings Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 From: Tom Orr:
David: An interesting and lively dialogue on these tales. I
won't add a lot right now except to say that Tolkien and Rowling
fall squarely into a long and honorable English story-telling
tradition dating back to Malory, Spenser, and Shakespeare, in which
sorcery, magic, and enchantment serve as metaphors of the quest for
knowledge and power, which, of course, is at the heart of the
greatest story ever told in the New Testament. William Blake said,
"Imagination is the divine body of Christ." These are tales of
imagination, not manuals on witchcraft. May the saints preserve us
from book-burners and the soothsayers of ignorance. David, God bless
you in your good work through hollywoodjesus.com. Grace and
peace. --Tom Orr
Response: You are so right. Thanks for the kind words. I
appreciate them. -David
QUIBBLES AND BITS Subject: LOTR
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 From: Paul B Martin
Hi Greg! Interesting site. Good points in your movie
review, but you are wrong about one thing there. In the books,
Aragorn, Gimli, and Leoglas do indeed know that Frodo and Sam have
not been captured with Merry and Pippin. You
wrote:
>>For Jackson, it doesn't seem enough that
Tolkien's heroes go on motivated by the conviction of things not
seen (the definition of faith found in Hebrews 11:1, one with which
Tolkien seems utterly content). Instead, the characters can
only go on by knowing precisely where they are headed, and why. ...
Likewise, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli do not go in pursuit of the two
hobbits having to guess at Sam and Frodo's fate; they know. I
doubt that Tolkien would have been enthused at this change.
<<
Tolkien wrote: (The Two Towers, The Departure of
Boromir, about 6 pages in - Aragorn speaking)"This then is the
answer, Frodo has gone by boat, and his servant has gone with
him.....'I will follow the orcs,' he said at last. 'I would have
guided Frodo to Mordor and gone with him to the end; but if I seek
him now in the wilderness, I must abandon the captives to torment
and death. My heart speaks clearly at last: the fate of the Bearer
is in my hands no longer. The company has played it's part. Yet we
that remain cannot forsake our companions while we have strength
left....'"
I think Jackson did a masterful job! It's the best
film of it's kind, and better by far than most films period. The
only negative review I've read out of about 20 was by Rodger Ebert -
and I think he was alittle misguided anyway. The FELLOWSHIP of the
Ring is about the Fellowship, not just the hobbits! The movie is
terrifying and haunting. I wept for joy at the beauty of
Middle-earth, and grieved the loss of Gandalf and Boromir. I felt
the wonder of the Elvin maidens and the evil of the Black Riders and
the orcs - the loyalty of Merry and Pippin, and Sam - the kindness
of Gandalf - and the struggle with the power of the ring that the
characters went thru.
I just finished listening to the soundtrack on cd, and
it's nearly exausting simply because of the passion and spiritual
power it contains. I don't think I would call the movie quite
perfect - but about as close to perfection as it's possible to come!
Everything else seems shallow now. Gandalf's speech to Frodo was
taken from different parts of the book, and I can't find all of the
text, but it was so moving in the film, both when it's actually
spoken to Frodo, and at the end when he remember's it and it decides
his course of action. That alone had more moral content and power in
it than any other scene I can remember.
Yes, he left Tom Bombadil out, and a great many other
things, but he did not atleast contradict the books. He did not say
he doesn't exist. I think many will be suprised and delighted when
they read the books to find Tom and the other characters. I think
the changes made still stay true to the characters as they are in
the book.
Will the momentum continue? Good question! I think it
will. The second film is basically done, and he has a year to make
any changes. That's a long time, and I'm sure he will have time to
think about the 3rd movie as well. I just know that the movies were
better than any of us expected. - Most of us, anyway. Some people
will never be happy. Others just want to ask "How did Gandalf get
his staff back?" (After his escape from Saruman).
I liked your review of the books. Lots of cool
insights, and neat how you lined up the artwork from the Hildebrant
book with the clips from the movie.
I think your essay is all wet! Nothing I've ever read
or seen has ever suggested that Tolkien felt God was powerless
today. He saw his world changing, the countryside disappearing, the
horror of WWI, and lived thru WWII. He hated modernism. He saw
changes at Oxford. He knew the sorrow of change, and you feel it in
his works, a yearning for a place we haven't seen, that we can now
only see in his books (until these movies!). He wrote a legend, a
Saga. He clearly meant it to be fictional, but gave it the flavor of
authenticity. All such tales start out "a long time ago, in a land
(or galaxy) far away." He let the glory of the third age fade to
explain why we no longer see such glory, and because we yearn for it
all the more. I'm sure he knew that the glory would one day return
when the king does return. I know Lewis believed this. Lewis creates
the same longing in his works, and they helpled me to see their
point, that Christianity is a TRUE myth. The other myths and legends
were trying to express the truth, and only caught glimmers. There is
a struggle between good and evil, and there will be a hero, a divine
hero. He will set up a kingdom, and it's glory will not fade, like
Camelot or Lothlorien. There will be great evil that comes to power
after long centuries, and a great battle, and vast armies, and
terrible creatures let lose, etc. (If you hold to a futurist
interpretation of Revelation atleast. I don't know that Tolkien
necessarily did, since the Catholic church doesn't quite see things
that way, but it does seem to come thru in his work, as you've
pointed out in you review of the books).
You claim your not simply writing about LOTR in your
essay, but you have no review of other works by Tolkien, whether
it's directly related to Middle-earth or not. Why don't you post a
review of the Silmarillion? I think C.S. Lewis would have been
greatly upset with Tolkien if he had thought he was claiming such a
thing as you suggest. Instead Lewis encouraged him to keep writing
and to publish. They said there were not enough of the kinds of
books that they liked, so they would have to write some themselves.
Have you read anything by Joseph Pearce on Tolkien? He
has book called "Tolkien - A Celebration". You can find it at
Amazon.com In it he points out several of the Christian themes in
LOTR. Chapter 8 is called "A Sense of Time in Lord of the Rings",
and it explains that one of the main themes in Tolkien's work is
man's desire for immortality. I found it very enlightening! I think
you might find the following site
interesting:
Harry Potter vs. Gandalf : An in-depth analysis of the
literary use of magic in the works of J. K. Rowling, J. R. R.
Tolkien, and C. S. Lewis. A booklet-length essay by
Steven D. Greydanus http://www.decentfilms.com/commentary/magic.html
Check it out!
From One Fan to Another,
Paul
Response: Thanks for your
attentiveness and thoroughness, Paul! Just a couple thoughts
going your way... First, don't you think it's a bit different
for Aragorn, et al to have to figure out from clues (hence my choice
of term "guess") what happened with Frodo and Sam, than for Aragorn
to actually have a conversation with Frodo about it? Granted,
the difference isn't huge, but it seems to me as part of a pattern
of changes... Second, your discussion of the yearning for
glory in Tolkien and Lewis, and the effect it had on you, was very
nicely put. Having come to faith, do you still experience that
sense of longing, or as time passes, do you feel that sense of
longing more and more fulfilled? The answer to this question
is part of my thinking on what Tolkien was trying to
express... And third, yes, I think maybe some words
specifically about the Silmarillion might be appropriate. But
then folks might want a review of The Book of Lost Tales, and the
History of Middle Earth. Can you wait for the book to come
out? ;>/ -Greg
A CALL TO
ACTION Subject: lotr Date: Fri,
21 Dec 2001 From: Pauline
Sexton
My paperback copies of the trilogy (printed 1965) are in tatters
- the last book is gone, the other two are missing the covers, The
Two Towers is missing the last 20 pages. These books
have been read and re-read - by my brother and me, back in the 60's
when we first discovered "The Hobbit" and then devoured the
trilogy, then by two of my children. We have all
been in heightened anticipation of the movies release.
My daughter saw it 12:01am Wednesday, I saw it in the
afternoon, my brother takes his entire family (who have all read it)
this Sat and my son is trying to find the time to see it (and I'll
go with him to see it again.) Needless to say - I
loved it. How beautiful - it was like a love story being
re-told by the lover. Peter Jackson's hand was charged with
creative joy and reverence. I know about all the
necessary changes, and omissions - and of course the lack of song
and poetry - did add to the continuing seriousness and heavy ness of
the trek - but the characterizations were perfect. My
only criticism and hope is that Samwise will develop in more depth
and that he will emerge in the film the way he did in the book - as
a simple, loyal and faithful hobbit - who by his very acts of self
sacrifice and dedication to a a noble and good task grew in strength
(physically and morally) and truly became his name -
Wise. I just re-read "The Fellowship" in
preparation for the movies release - and I was struck with the
powerful and wonderful spiritual truths - tucked into the
text. The obvious pivot of choice - around which all
revolves. The choices of the most insignificant and
least valued ones (Hobbits) were like stones being dislodged on a
cliff and causing a great avalanche (this image comes from "The Two
Towers.") The willingness to do something because it is
the right thing to do - even though it will require great
sacrifice. The learning to trust oneself - and to trust
one's gifts and one's calling - to give away and give up, instead of
grasp and grab and keep. Well I could go on and
on..... now of course it will be torture to wait another year (or
two) for the other films - can we start a petition to Peter
Jackson - to advance the release dates? Hobbits of
the world - Unite! We have power!
Pauline Sexton
Response: You never know
what's possible, Pauline. Remember what the fan base was able
to do for Star Trek...
-Greg
EDGING INTO CHIP'S
CORNER Subject: LotR forum posting -
Incomplete analysis notes Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001
From: Josh Beaulieu
Hi I'm not a lifelong Tolkien fan, in fact I just
finished Fellowship for the 1st time last night after seeing the
movie two days ago. But here are my thoughts, I felt like
writing them down last night. In reading previous posts, I
most agree with Chip's analysis way back on page
3.
- Tolkien did not intend to depict a Christ character
but the parallels are worth note. Aragorn is from Royal
lineage. Aragorn is the coming king.
Gandalf's 'resurrection' after 3
days.
- The mini-themes of suffering and self-sacrifice, as
borne by Frodo.
- Good vs. evil IS humility vs. pride. The
ring is the lust for power; The ring is the desire to become God;
The ring is pride. Humility is embodied in the
resistance of the ring's power, the resistance of evil; Thus the
desire to become as God (ie pride) is evil in the purest sense -
this is clearly spelled. LotR is an amplified but
fundamentally accurate embodiment of how we are in a perpetual
battle - by exclusive means of pride - being pulled away from
Truth / Obedience to God and drawn to Falsehood / Sin. This
is the ultimate cause of the Judeo-Christian Human Condition,
which is rooted in Adam and Eve's desire to know good and evil;
desire to have the mind of God; desire to be God.
- LotR is beautifully masked with names, references,
and symbols from ancient mythology - but these are just that: a
mask, a wrapping. Its heart and only main theme are
emphatically Judeo-Christian, with less Judeo and more
Christian.
- The presence of conscience / Holy Spirit and the use
of self-sacrifice are 2 very intriguing topics, however I haven't
thought about this enough to comment on it
yet.
Peace, Josh
Langley, Canada
Response: Thanks for weighing in, Josh. When you
come up with some more ideas on point 5, get back to us. That
would be pretty interesting. -Greg
WHAT'S UP WITH THE
WIZARDS? Subject: a question please on LOTR
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 From:
Mauranna
I've been reading reviews of Lord of the Rings and read about
the wizard and magic. I believe the 'wizard' is on the
supposedly 'good' side and what side is the magic on? Do both
indulge in it? Does the wizard? (therefore, the 'good
guys'). I'm trying to figure out why so many people are so
excited about it. All the passionate excitement is kind of odd
to me. What spirits are involked in their magic? I'm 99%
sure its magic not miracles done in Jesus' name...so what's going on
with people?...I'm talking about the Christians that should know
better. (Is there something about the story/movie/book I'm not
seeing?)
Thanks, Mauranna
Response: As to the nature of wizardry in Tolkien's
work, see point # 2 in Adam's posting below. As to how people
are reacting: it's hard to say why, really. Why do
people smoke when they should know better? Why do people throw
money away gambling when they should know better? Why do folks
with fishies on their cars speed when they should know better?
Tolkien's world is one in which "knowing better" is not the basis
for analyzing behavior, and characters don't really ask questions
like these. Perhaps that is its appeal. -Greg
GOOD
CENTS Subject: "Lord Of The Rings" Comment
Date: 20 Dec 2001 From: Adam
Williams
I read your review of the Lord of the rings and allot
of the bulletin board posts and just wanted to add a few cents of my
own.
1. I keep seeing people say that Tolkien wasn't
trying to construct a mythology. But in the letter included in
the introduction to the Silmarillion he pretty much states that is
what he means to do. But not necessarily a "religious"
mythology. Mythology is important in that it reflects ideas
and morals of a society, it is actually less important that
those societies believe those stories to be literally true.
Mythology enables debate about good and evil, courage and temptation
by providing a vocabulary. Mythology and Religion are
neighbors, not co-habitants. As long as that is understood I
think they each ennoble each other. Would Tolkien's images and
language have been so beautiful if he himself hadn't held deep and
devote beliefs? I know that for myself, Tolkien hit a
chord that I knew was ABOUT truth. It just "smelled" so
real. I went on from that to read C.S Lewis and become a
Christian. Not everything needs to be obvious and boldly
stated. As someone who had terrible experiences with
"religious" people and who saw no legitimate Christian witness in my
life, the subtly of myth was probably the only way to broach
the topic.
2. There is no "witch craft" per se in
Tolkien. Never in the Lord Of The Rings does a mortal man cast
a spell. Galdalf and Saruman are Istari (Maia), not
human. Look in the Silmarillion or the unfinished tales.
The elves are not human. Sauron is a Maia corrupted by Melkor
(A Valar and Tolkien's equivalent of the Devil, vanquished to
the abyss by the time the LOTR events happen). So all the
"wizards" are "angels". Tolkien's "magic" is cast out of the
power inherent to a creature. This is clearly stated in the
introduction to the Silmarillion and several times in the
"Unfinished Tales". Also no one in the LOTR worships the
Valar. and the Valar are beholden to Eru Illuvatar (He who is
alone). How this is any less "Christian" that the writing of
C.S. Lewis is simply something I don't understand.
Well, thanks for hearing my rants. I just found
your website and am certain I will be returning, nice
work.
Response: Thanks for your comments. They'll help
some other folks out. I'm happy that the spirituality that's
in fictional works has benefitted you. St. Francis of Assisi,
I believe, is supposed to have written: "Preach the Gospel; when
necessary, use words." As with most things human, there is
both wisdom and danger there... Listen to the Voice that
guides. God bless! -Greg
A CRY OF
DESPERATION Subject: Question Date:
Thu, 20 Dec 2001 From: Shygirl
So Gandalf isnt dead in the next movies? Please
awnser!! i need to
know!!
Shyra
Response: I'm sure you can find someone to answer this
question for you. I, however, cannot be bought for any
price... Try reading the books. The publishers will be
glad you did! -Greg
ERRORS TO BE
ADDRESSED Subject: Rings essay Date:
Mon, 17 Dec 2001 From: Kyle and Amy
While much of this essay was both well-informed and
well-written, there are a few crucial errors in it that need to be
addressed.
First and foremost, issue must be taken with the line
wondering if CS Lewis' "intense Christian spirituality somehow
'rubbed off' of Tolkien" and found its way into his work. It
is a fairly widely known fact, and one I am surprised the author did
not possess, that Tolkien was himself certainly a man of God, and
was in fact one of the people who led Lewis to Christ! Far
from being merely an associate of Lewis who may have perhaps been
influenced for the better by his proximity to him, Tolkien was
rather a spiritual mentor of Lewis. It is easy to see how this
fact may have been lost on later generations, as Tolkien's writing
is not as clearly Christian in form or function as is Lewis', but
the fact remains nonetheless.
The second major error in the essay in in the author's
attempt to find a parallel between each of the characters in
Tolkien's mythology and in the Christian reality as set forth in
Holy Scripture. Of course there is no such complete set of
parallels, because Tolkien did not intend it that way! Tolkien
is on record as saying that he "detested allegory" as a form of
writing. The Silmarillion, Lord of the Rings, and The Hobbit
are not meant as allegory, and to take them as such is to
dangerously miss the meaning intended by their author.
Where Mr. Wright's otherwise excellent essay falls
down is at the point where he calls Tolkien's work an "impoverished"
Christianity, simply because he was looking for strict Biblical
parallels in a truly excellent story that was only meant to convey
Christian themes, not to follow in lockstep the events and orders in
the Bible.
Tolkien made no bones about weaving
non-Judeo-Christian mythologies from various other cultures into his
work. I think, however, that he would be shocked at the
thought that people would think his work pagan, or at the least
"un-Christian" because it contains "magical" imagery or because it
does not closely follow the spiritual hierarchy of God's Word.
It was never meant to! There was never meant to be a
Christ-figure in the book (although some have tried to view Gandalf,
Aragorn or even Frodo as such), but Tolkien certainly did make a
point of showcasing the Christian theme of redemption through
sacrifice. He never tried to recreate the Holy Trinity or
God's evil adversaries exactly, but he surely did let readers know
that there is a very real struggle in middle-earth (and in our
world) between the holy forces of good and the forces of
darkness.
In closing, I would encourage Mr. White to re-read and
re-examine the work of JRR Tolkien. But this time, not looking
so much for what "-isms" and "-ologies" may or may not be seen in
his work, and not trying to find parallels and symbols that were
never intended by the author. Instead, take it for what it is;
a beautiful work by a man of God, and a piece of writing that
vividly and poignantly expresses the tension and long struggle
between the darkness and sorrow that Christians face here on earth,
and the bright hope we possess in the knowledge of the Return of our
King, Christ Jesus.
Response: In my essay, I am not trying to find
allegories: I am making it clear that allegories are not
present, and cannot properly, in a literary sense, be
explicated. The conclusion to be drawn is that Middle Earth is
no Narnia. Okay, that's pretty obvious. And presence of
allegory is not what makes a fictional work "Christian," if anything
does, and I don't make that claim in any way, shape or form.
The world view for which Tolkien's myth accounts (the world view
which he saw all around him, though he did not embrace it) is one
which is spiritually impoverished. Does that help? I'm
not trying to insult Tolkien, his faith, or Catholicism. A
question, though: Do you think Sam Gamgee is infused with
"bright hope" at the end of the novel? Or does he feel like
he's lost something? -Greg
REDUX
REDUX Subject: Rings review Date:
Wed, 19 Dec 2001 From: Doug
I enjoyed your review. Regarding your
speculation that C.S. Lewis had a Christian influence on Tolkien, I
believe that the reverse was true. Tolkien was a devout Catholic. He
was instrumental in C.S. Lewis' conversion to Christianity, and the
two men were very good friends.
Best regards Doug Milligan
Response: Duly noted. Thanks for reading!
-Greg
HEAVENS TO
BETSY Subject: What!? Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001
From: Colin
Oh dear...
The essay somehow avoided mentioning that the put-up
story is an old convention in English Literature, reaching, at
least, back to Defoe. Indeed, most early novels (Defoe, Swift,
Richardson) the author is presented as an 'editor', gathering sheets
and letters together and presenting them to the public. Tolkein, as
many other authors have done in the 20th century, simply employs
this now rather academic joke.
Indeed, the whole mythology, made so much of by the
author of this essay, could also be an extended, elaborate academic
joke. Simply an extended application of a whole mixed heap of
mythology, not to a grand and revolutionary opera, such as Wagner
had done, but to a novel. Could it be so difficult to view the
books, the excessiveness of detail, the appendices, as one grand,
large and quite happy joke?
One last point, the author writes the following:
" for Tolkein, our spiritual past does not primarily
lie (sic) in Christian models" & " If Tolkein's
Christianity informs his work, then, (sic) it is an impoverished
Christianity. It is a Modernist Christianity etc.
I do know that HollywoodJesus works out of the
Reformed persuasion, but painting a devout Catholic such as Tolkein
in such terms is disturbing, especially one who was in many ways a
Traditional Catholic ( demuring about liturgical changes and
whatnot).
It seems the author of the essay takes the whole thing
much too seriously, unable to see the books as one fat arbitrary
laugh of an academic who would otherwise have been teaching
unwilling freshmen Anglo-Saxon ( studying the language was required
in the English degree at Oxford until quite recently).
Colin
Response: A historical perspective is important,
indeed. One step further back in literary history you find
Thomas More indulging in the same schtick, and so on back in time to
Solomon, who wrote, "There is nothing new under the sun." But
don't you find it a little incredible that a brilliant mind such as
Tolkien's would devote over fifty years of his life to a scholarly
joke? I may take things a bit too seriously; but you may
overestimate the satisfaction that academics receive from a wink and
a nudge. Defoe, Swift and More, among others, were writing
veiled social criticism that could have cost them their lives (and
did, in More's case); it wasn't just for humor's sake. And by
the way, when taking issue with one's grammar, it's best to spell a
Very Famous Person's name correctly. Twice. ;>)
-Greg
THE THRESHOLD OF A
DREAM Subject: Tolkien Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001
From: Greg Willis
I just finished reading your well-written and
knowledeable essay on Tolkien's mythology. There were a couple
of things that caused me to stratch my head a bit. Because I
don't claim to know too much about the subject, I wanted to write to
perhaps gain some clarity.
First, Wright entertains the concept that Tolkien may
have a degree of Christianity within him, partly due to the
influence of C.S. Lewis. It was my understanding from reading
various biographical information about Lewis that it was actually
Tolkien who had the greater spiritual influence on Lewis!
In Lewis' autobiography, Surprised By Joy, he credits Tolkien
(in part) for his conversion to Christianity.
Second, the idea of Tolkien's Christianity being
modern and pragmatic must take into account the "spirit of the
times" of Tolkien's upbringing. Tolkien was a fanatical
anti-modernist in his disdain of machinery - he was still riding
horse and buggy in the 1930s. I have always
interpretted Gandalf's speech in The Return of the Kings (for
example) as more of a personal critique of the direction of modern
humanity in Tolkien's view, rather than a shallow form of
Christianity.
I sense Tolkien's yearning for a more "natural" (and
supernatural) man here. Tolkien does seem want to live in an
earlier age of simplicity, friendship and spiritual awareness.
He see modern man as distracted and preoccupied in it's own
self-sufficiency.
While I completely agree with you that there is
nothing overtly Christian in Tolkien's mythology, there are many
hints of a deeply spiritual and Christ-loving author. Just the
overall idea of the world being saved in a such a ridiculous and
shocking way (by a clueless hobbit) shows an understanding of the
wondor of Incarnation and Redemption. In addition, Tolkien
(and Lewis) believed that one of the strongest ways to relate to God
(to be like God) was to create. By creating such an elaborate
world and giving it stories and myths, Tolkien was doing something
in the nature of God, and he believed this was transferrable to
humans. Furthermore, he believed that Truth was revealed best
in stories and myths - that is, there are Truths that are are best
understood within the context of the story, rather than being
explained in linear fashion. This can be clearly seen in
Jesus' parables.
Anway, I've started to ramble. Any response
would be highly appreciated.
I've got a lot to learn...
In His Love,
Greg
Response: Thanks for your notes. The yearning for
a time gone by is, yes, precisely, at the core of what Tolkien
expresses. The glimpses of the Incarnation and Redemption that
you find, or the hand of Providence that I see, do indeed reflect
the soul of the writer. What I find problematic is that this
is all seen nostalgically as a thing of the past! I look at
the world around me and see these things everwhere. I think
there's a bit of revisionism going on with Tolkien's views on
technology, though (it's not just you, Greg; this has been an
ongoing theme). If Tolkien were a Luddite, he would have said
so, so let's not go overboard on this. Anybody with a Geiger
Counter could see where things were headed by 1948, but that didn't
turn folks into the Unabomber. With love back atcha...
-Greg
WHY
BOTHER? Subject: Lord of the Rings Essay
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 From: Paul Tanes
J.R.R. Tolkien was obviously a Christian and the
values of his religion greatly influenced his work. His works should
be revered by the Church becuase it reinforces Christian beliefs and
tells a great tale of strife between good and evil. If he were
of any other religion I'm sure the books would somehow reflect
the beliefs of that religion. Enjoy the story. Why bother with
comparing references from the Bible to the LOTR. And since you have
I have to say the Elves should not be compared to Angels. The Maiar
would more closely resemble them. Of which Gandalf, Saruman,
Radaghast, Sauron, and even the Balrog were all Maian (from the
Silmarillon and the Unfinished Tales).
Paul
Response: We bother to do the things we find
interesting. Others need not find it interesting. And
when they don't, it's not incumbent upon them to bother to
remark. Why bother to comment on something you don't find
worth the bother? Because you find it interesting. I'm
glad you found it interesting, if a waste of time.
-Greg
IT SLICES IT DICES IT EVEN
MAKES MOVIES Subject: My take on Tolkien
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 From: Stan & Sue
Short
Hello. I would like to say that I love your
website. I happened upon it as a link from a Tolkien site and
I think it's fabulous! I have been a Christian and a "Lord of
the Rings" fan for several years. Although his use of
Christian images and themes aren't as glaringly obvious as in C.S.
Lewis', "Narnia" books, they are there none the less. My
favorite image is when Gandalf the Grey rejoins the party as Gandalf
the White -- what a marvelous resurrection image! As much as I
enjoy Tolkien's books, however, I don't think I will go see the
film. I am afraid of how the secular film industry will treat
the spiritual themes. I recently saw a TV special on Tolkien
which suggested that since he and C.S. Lewis had such a close
friendship, they must have been gay lovers together. How crazy
can you be? At any rate, keep up the good work at your
website.
A Friend in Christ from Ohio
Response: I understand your concerns. Peter
Jackson's treatment of the novel seems pretty reverent. I
didn't find his presentation of the spiritual themes perfunctory or
degrading. If you liked the books, I think you'll enjoy the
movie. -Greg
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