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HARRY POTTER
Subject: Newsletter_30_Harry_Potter
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001
From: Sue Mosher

I've read the first book and I took my 10 year old son to the movie. (He has read the 2nd book, too.) Anyway, we had a great conversation about how the theme of Harry Potter is power. Harry was powerless at first (in his closet) then became very powerful as a wizard with natural talent. There was the evil power of Valdemort and the selling out of the teacher (I forget his name) to receive Valdemort's power. There was the good power of friends with different talents working together, not unlike Paul's example of the body with many parts. All in all, I found Harry Potter (at least the first one) to be a great story of good winning victory over evil. By the way, why are the wizards in Harry Potter any different than the wicked witch in "Snow White" or the witches in the "Wizard of Oz"? What about "Bewitched" or "I Dream of Jeannie"? Was there an uproar when those shows were on TV? (I was too young to know if there was.)
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"Do not withhold good from those who deserve it, when it is in your power to act." Proverbs 3:27

THE HARRY POTTER PROBLEM
Subject: Harry Potter
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001
From: "dtm"

I have been a christian for over 13 years. I also only spent 14 hours reading the firs harry potter book. I loved it. How can any one want to ban i book that quotes theat the love between two people can over come all evil. is that not what jesus christ died for?

If youre going to remove any books from the shelves, it should be the moddern magasines that tell people that to be beutifle you neen to by our product There is nothing rong with paganisum. I have practiced healing and sutch (NEVER going near black arts) all my life. I terned to Christanity because it made sence. God is God nomatter how you look at it (i.e. alla buda e.t.c.), and from hime every thing groes. No religiouse text or picture should be taken off the shelves of class rooms, insted a deeper feeling and understanding should be tought!

Ps it may interest you to know that last year I was dumped by my girle friend because she got a mesage from god saing that I was the sporne of satan. she also toled me that people should only go out if they plan on getting married. she later went on to go out with some one ells. you would think that this would dampen my relationship with God but it didnot. i now have full faith that i have a purpouse and that here views were diew to a lack of propper knolage.
Yours Sincerely
Daniel Shortland

THE WITCHERY
Subject: Harry Potter
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001
From: Ashley

Hi there Dave,
I'm Ashley, I'm 16 and I like doing research on movies /books or anything that causes a stir, I stumbled across this site by an ex - astologist and occultist, I think maybe you should download the 43 minute sound clip about what he says about Harry Potter, its quite interesting and informative. heres the link: http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/
yours in Christ
Ashley

Response: Bogus nonsense. Urban legends. He is way off base. He truly believes that this nation will suffer because all the kids who read Harry Potter will become witches. That's one third of the children of America. These children are going to take over America, perhaps the world. He claims that Harry Potter will lead to drug use. He says witches uses broom sticks as dildos. What? So, how did he use the broom stick as a male witch? Oh my gosh. He thinks that the subject of death is a sure sign of evil. His man is a liar and the truth is not in him. He was a witch? I wonder. He also believes that Star Wars is witchcraft. He believes that the author of Potter is in league with Satan and communists. And says that I (and other like me) have the intelligence of a lima bean. -David

THE WITCHERY
Subject: Harry Potter
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001
From: Ashley

Hi there Dave,
I'm Ashley, I'm 16 and I like doing research on movies /books or anything that causes a stir, I stumbled across this site by an ex - astologist and occultist, I think maybe you should download the 43 minute sound clip about what he says about Harry Potter, its quite interesting and informative. heres the link: http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/
yours in Christ
Ashley

Response: Bogus nonsense. Urban legends. He is way off base. He truly believes that this nation will suffer because all the kids who read Harry Potter will become witches. That's one third of the children of America. These children are going to take over America, perhaps the world. He says witches uses broom sticks as dildos. What? So, how did he use the broom stick as a male witch? Oh my gosh. He thinks that the subject of death is a sure sign of evil. His man is a liar and the truth is not in him. He was a witch? I wonder. He also believes that Star Wars is witchcraft. He believes that the author of Potter is in league with Satan and communists. And says that I (and other like me) have the intelligence of a lima bean. -David

 

"PROFESSING" CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT VIEW IT
Subject: Newsletter_30_Harry_Potter_Is_Dangerous
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001
From: "Charles"

I totally believe that Harry Potter should not be watched by "professing" christians. I also believe that the witchcraft in the movie opens doors to which makes magic appear harmless and fun. I do know that God can use all things for His glory, but what about those people who are not looking for God? 1John 2:15 states: " Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him." Shouldn't those who know God and His word be teaching His truths? Or is it okay to let people believe that God thinks sorcrey and witchcraft are alright? Also, Revelation 3:15,16 states: I know your works that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth." Isn't about time that people become radical for God instead of saying we are christians and then watching something that is displeasing to Him.

Response: You go to far. This is a Fantasia type film, or Mary Poppins. It has nothing to do with the scriptures you quote. Unless, of course, you mean to say Mary Poppins is satanic. In which case, I would not know how to respond to you. PS the witch huits are over. RIP -David

POINTING TO THE TRUTH
Subject: Harry_Potter
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001
From: Aaron

Hi, just a quick note to thank you for your efforts. I appreciate your site for your focus on how Christians can use pop culture as a bridge to speaking about Truth and sharing the Gospel.

While I have mostly stayed away from the whole Harry Potter controversy, one thing concerns me as I read through some of the posts regarding the film. While we may disagree with both the message and tactics used by those who attack this film, we should not stoop to insulting them and calling them names. Some name-calling may be appropriate, but I do not believe Jesus would approve of us calling our brothers and sisters in him morons, etc.

I appreciate your attempts to engage in rational dialogue regarding so controversial an issue. God bless you and your ministry. Aaron

Response: Good point and thank you. -David

HARRY POTTER AND MEDIA SCARES
Subject: Harry Potter
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001
From: "Stuart Wheeler"

David,
That the HP books are well written is clear. That the film, with actors, actresses, production teams, locations (and budget) of such an outstanding calibre, could not fail to be both artistically and commercially successful, is beyond question. The fact that HP has already and will continue to exert an incalculable influence over our cultural life today, is what lies at the heart of the problem about HP within the Christian community. As Bible-believing Christians, we know that there is a network of spiritual enemies waging war against the Kingdom of God, and we know that our enemy is attempting to orchestrate opposition, futile though that is, to the will of God. It is too tempting for Christians to believe that all evil (including the WTC tragedy), all cataclysmic events, real or anticipated (including the Y2K scare), anyone who has become obscenely rich and successful (eg Procter and Gamble), and any phenomenon that has captured the imagination of a disproportionate number of people (the Beatles, Monty Python's Life of Brian, Harry Potter,etc) must be part of this network of evil, orchestrated by our enemy. What we don't understand, has to be rationalised by being squeezed into a conspiracy, whose existence I would certainly not deny, but whose scope has become exaggerated.

Job's 'Comforters' were sharply rebuked for seeing God's judgement in Job's sufferings, and, although God told Job he had been speaking about things he did not understand, when he proclaimed his own innocence and the injustice of his troubles, He did not give any reason for them happening, nor did He contradict what Job had said. Jesus did not support the attempts of some of His contemporaries to rationalise the deaths of the people crushed by the Tower of Siloam as being Divine Judgement: He said that they were no more or less sinful than anyone else, we are all corrupted by sin, but God has mercy on whom He has mercy, and no one can truthfully say they understand this; it's one of the Mysteries of God.

So, can we see the orchestration of the enemy at work in the case of the Harry Potter media avalanche? Perhaps. Not in the content of the original work or of the film, necessarily, but perhaps in the way some Christians' response to it has been fanned into flame, drawing ridicule from the media, and, more importantly, diverting Christians from what they should really be doing as the night draws near: sharing their Savior with a lost generation. But should we allow our response to go to the other extreme? Harry is a teenager, making decisions in his day to day life, as we all do, some decisions are good and noble, many are selfish, deceitful, hurtful, dangerous and potentially destructive; he has no Savior to guide his decisions or protect him in a dark and oppressively evil world, so he uses sorcery. No, I would not seek spiritual truth in HP, any more than I would seek it in the Beatles or Monty Python. I would rather check out God's word. But each individual should use their own judgement about whether they want to see the film or let their children see it (with them). And perhaps we can use this media issue as an opportunity to talk to others about our faith.

Response: Thanks for your insight. I appreciate it. -David

TOLKIEN A CHRISTIAN?
Subject: Newsletter 30
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001
From: LKJ

Jen sees this positive value, she wrote me the following email: I am sure that Tolkien's (Lord of the Rings) work will come under fire as has Harry Potter but I believe in this case that the story is what you take away from it. I have read the Hobbit and the Trilogy at least 7 or 8 times now and every time I have learned more from it. Although Tolkien himself may not have been a Christian, there are Christian values that are still presented to readers in his story. My understyanding is that Tolkien was a devout Catholic and dear friend of C.S. Lewis (a renowned Christian author)
http://www.tayloru.edu/upland/programs/lewis/articles/seland.html
http://www.tayloru.edu/upland/programs/lewis/articles/seland.html
http://www.scriptorum.org/l/kolbitar.html
http://www.scriptorum.org/l/kolbitar.html

Response: Yes, as a matter of fact, Tolkien was the one who God used to lead CS Lewis to the Lord. -David

SPIRITUALITY AND TOLKIEN
Subject: Lord_of_Rings and Newsletter_30
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001
From: Chuck

If I remember correctly, in C.S. Lewis' "Space Trilogy", he actually identifies the wizards of Middle Earth as visiting angels, here to help folks out.

I also seem to recall something by Tolkien himself, hidden in the appendix of Book III to that effect.

I could be wrong. It's been a long time since I took a course on LOTR in college.

I get a kick out of all the hub-bub over "evil" wizards and witches by folks who are obviously ignorant (literally - no insult meant) of the things they criticize. For example, major parts of Harry Potter evolve around Christmas time & traditions. Silly...

Response: Good insight. Thanks. And I think you are right about CS Lewis. -David

WICCA
Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001
From: Holly

Harry Potter is just a hollywood version of the true religion on wicca. twisted and bent for the audiances enjoyment. It is not a tool to recruit new wiccans, it is simply a book that is to be read. And if your children do become interseted in another religion then let them. Would you rather have them grow up to be open-minded to new ideas or close-minded in thier ways?

Response: I agree that Harry Potter is not a tool to recruit for the Wiccans. HP has hit at the core of a cultures quest for spirituality in a postmodern culture. -David

YES YES YES
Subject: Newsletter_30 Harry_Potter_Can_Be_Used_Positively
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001
From: Beth

YES YES YES!

Read (Wheaton College English professor) Alan Jacob's article, "Harry Potter's Magic" in FIRST THINGS for the reason why Harry Potter can be used positively.

http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0001/reviews/jacobs.html

But be forwarned. Jacobs is not of the Church AGAINST Culture School of Christian Life: he doesn't think that we have to prove our allegiance to Christ by bashing everything that isn't directly listed (with approval) in the concordance.

Jacobs seems to be a graduate of the Justin Martyr School of Christian life: we don't need to disparage what is good to establish the One who is Good; we don't need to reject what is true in order to point to the One who is True.

And it is not a matter of not being able to recognize what is good and true in the world, because Romans 1:19-20 teaches that we can indeed know what is good and true apart from special revelation. In fact, Paul says that it is precisely BECAUSE we can know God's power and character (Good, as true, etc) from general revelation that humankind is in trouble! We know it, but because we are in rebellion against Him, we refuse to recognize, glorify and thank God for it.

If Harry Potter shows us something true and good, it can only be because it is a reflection of Him who is Truth and Goodness itself. Sure, it's wrapped in an unusual package, of witches and wizards and dragons and magic and the stuff of fairy tales...but nowhere yet have I read anything in the books or seen anything on the screen that would say those things are the product of SATAN'S power or character. Until I do, I say to all Christians, "Harry Potter is not off-limits; in fact, he may even assist us to better see Christ!" The scandal of Harry Potter is not that he is a wizard who is able to do "magic." It is that Christians refuse to see that the magic of Harry Potter can be used to bear fruit: to direct us further on, to what C. S. Lewis called the "Deep Magic:" the love and power of Jesus Christ. But, then again, Jesus is used to being a stumbling stone...

"The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes." Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed." (Matt. 21:42-44)

Lord, deliver us, from falling on this Stone, like the unbelievers do, and from being crushed by it, because we have refused to bear fruit.
Yours in Christ,
Beth Bilynskyj

Response: Right on. Thank you. -David

THE HARRY POTTER SCARE
Subject: Newsletter_30
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001
From: Miss Stella

I'm just gonna tell you this once...

Harry Potter is NOT Evil!
He has become an architypical good guy, fighting against the evil oppressors of the world!

...and he gets children who have no interest in books whatsoever to read!

If one takes into account the graphic details in the books, one would think 'oh, my, its satanic!'...but that's because the world (in most places) has been taught to fear all things in the world of mysticism...and I'm just gonna say that if you do, I KNOW you're a Muggle :)

Ms. Rowling has good intent in her books and they can be geared towards children as well as adults. There are many symbolic things within the books...some plain to see, others you have to dig a bit to understand... I'm not sure if I've put up a good argument or not, but I'll stick by Ms. Rowling's side until everyone has gotten over their 'occult'-phobias...

After all...where would our Christmas trees and our Easter bunny be if Christianity hadn't merged with the Gael traditions, hmm?

((And, really, if you Christians knew what you're getting yourselves into with your children dancing around the May Pole, geesh! ;o) ))

-Ashley E."ccentric" Wilson
Official Reader Of Books,
Honorary Mugwump,
Two-Cents Putter-Inner...
17,fm,Va,Usa...
tempus_magus@yahoo.com

Response: Thanks I appreciate your thoughts. Do you think that maybe Christmas will suffer the same attack as Halloween has when certain Isolationist Christians discover it's true origins? It staggers my mind to think of what's next. -David

THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-McCARTHYISM
Subject: Newsletter_30_Harry_Potter_Is_Dangerous
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001
From: Gary

...the spirit of anti-McCarthyism (liberalism) now controls you, and you don't even realize it...

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

...i, of course, disagree with every point you make - enjoy it while you can, purveyor of lies, it will not last!!!...

Response: McCarthy was the master of the 1950s communist black listing witch hunt. And you equate McCarthyism with God? What? We follow Jesus not McCarthy. You base your concept of honesty on being in line with McCarthy? Interesting. 1 Corithians 1:11-13, 17 comes to mind. Perhaps McCarthyism is the strong delusion of the end times. God bless you Gary. I hope your eyes will refocus on Jesus and not Senator McCarthy (Hebrews 12:1-2). -David

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