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NEWSLETTER
#26 COMMENTS
ENCOURAGEMENT
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001
From: Walt Mueller
The Center for Parent/Youth Understanding www.cpyu.org
David
- keep pressing on brother. I just received a forward of the recounting
of your conversation with the "Pharisees" after church. I don't use the
word "Pharisees" in a cynical sarcastic manner - I truly believe this
is a problem in the church today. Anyway, I want to encourage you to keep
pressing on. I know what it's like to meet this kind of opposition on
a daily basis. It is especially difficult when it comes from fellow believers
and is directed to your call, your passion, your ministry, your life's
work, etc. It stings. Rest assurred that you are not alone and keep fighting
the good fight. I continue to promote your site. For some encouragement
pick up a copy of Dick Staub's new book "Too Christian - Too Pagan."
- my guess is that you've read it already but I thought I'd mention anyway.
God bless you!
Walt
Mueller
The Center for Parent/Youth Understanding www.cpyu.org
Response:
Thanks Walt. And actually I have not picked that book up, but I know Dick
Staub -neat guy. I will order the book immediately. There is another book
that I think is worth mentioning. It's a fabulous book actually. I hope
you don't mind if I plug it. It's the one you wrote. Understanding
Today's Youth Culture. It is a powerful book that brings folk up to
speed with what is going on out there. I also hope everyone checks out
your web site. May
God continue to bless you Walt in your bridge building ministry.
BECOMING
A THINKING CHRISTIAN
& COOL CHURCH
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001
From: Rev. Linda Middelberg
John
Cobb, a Process Theologian and professor at Claremont Theological Seminary
in California wrote a book entitled, "Becoming
a Thinking Christian". In this book Dr. Cobb says, "Sometimes it seems
that church leaders prefer that the church die in superficial harmony
than live in vigorous debate." Many Christians seem to have replaced the
Law or "the right thing to do" with the Creed or the "right thing to believe."
Neither leaves room for God's grace or the movement of the Holy Spirit.
At...
St. Andrew United Methodist Church
350 N. Fairfield Rd. Dayton,
OH 45430 (937) 426-6491...
We hope
to help people learn to think theologically for themselves and to allow
the Holy Spirit to help them develop a living relationship with God through
the grace demonstrated for us by the life, death and resurreciton of Jesus.
Rev. Linda Middelberg Assoc. Pastor
Response:
Hmm, thinking and being a Christian? Let me see. Hmm. Do they go together.
Let me think about it. Oops, I'm thinking. OMG, I have sinned, I think.
Thank you Linda, I always appreciate your input. God bless you in all
you do. -David
SEVERAL
ENCOUNTERS
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Tracy R
David,
I just wanted to send you an e-mail to let you know how moved I was by
your "R-rated Christians" article on your site...as I stated in my message
a few months back, I have been a "lurker" on the site for some time and
continue to visit regularly. I can't applaud enough your efforts to see
film as, as you describe in the article, "a reflection of our time, our
culture, our values" rather than some evil force out to destroy Christianity.
One of the reasons my heart alternately lept for joy and dropped with
remembered pain while reading this is that I have had several similar
experiences with "believers" such as you encountered--one as recently
as this past week after I raved about "Moulin
Rouge" to a co-worker. I have visited several churches where the members
have been told that they should give up film and TV altogether, and not
do anything else in their spare time but be in church--and they wanted
to exclude everything else, too, including being in nature, etc. Needless
to say, I wasn't there for longer than the initial visits, and left with
a cold chill down my spine, to be honest. Like you, it's hard for me to
believe that there are some who claim to be followers of Christ who will
try to deny people the free will and life that God himself gave them!
A story
I heard a few years ago seems, to me anyway, to mirror this and shows
that this is not limited in a religious way. As you may have guessed from
my mention of "Mr. Accident" in my last letter, I am a fan of Australian
cenima in general, and have a soft spot for Yahoo Serious films, all the
way back to "Young Einstein". That movie is now a cult favorite for many
Americans, but I clearly remember the reaction that the movie had when
it first came out in '89. I recall seeing on the news large groups of
very vocal scientists protesting outside theatres, stating that the movie
was making mockery of and trying to diminish the greatness of the real
Einstein. Even today, I've noticed that it is hard to find on video (thank
goodness for Ebay!), no doubt because of the accusations. Having been
a fan of the real Einstein long before all of this, I found it interesting
that many of these wild-eyed protesters admitted--on camera, at that--that
they hadn't taken the time to actually go inside the theatre--maybe if
they had, at least a few might have realized that the story was intended
from the beginning as a "what if?" kind of tale, not at all meant to be
based on fact. Plus, it is clear that the film was intended to be a tribute
to Einstein, making the scientist's spirit the focus of the story. I found
it very telling that these so called "experts" out on the picket line,
people who claimed to have studied Einstein for years, seemed to forget
everything the guy ever said about imagination and life, or his well-known
sense of humor that he occasionally used to make fun of himself (Surely
many people have seen that wonderful picture of the then-elderly Einstein
sticking his tongue out!). People had every right in the world to not
like the movie if it wasn't their cup of tea, but like the person who
wrote to you about his co-worker trashing "Dogma"
sight unseen, this kind of behavior didn't seem to make much sense. I
know that I'm kind of rambling here, but simply put, this was a powerful
article and obviously had a strong impact on me. Bless you for having
the ability to see things such as film on a deeper spiritual level, to
see the artistic message rather than sitting in the dark of a theatre
counting swear words or attacking every hint of immorral behavior like
some other film critics I've read. There is nothing wrong with reviewing
R-rated movies on this site at all--after all, the world we live in is
NOT G-rated, so why should we try to hide our heads in the sand trying
to pretend that it is? Like you stated, it's not what we put in, but what
we give out, that counts! Thank you, and keep on reviewing! :)
Tracy R.
Response:
Your story is so typical, and yet so unbelievable. This kind of nonsense
goes on all the time. In Christ you are a new creation, and yet there
are all these people trying to define what that new creation would do
and not do. It is so sad. It creates confusion, guilt and despair in people.
Thankfully, God is bigger than all this. I I thank God you have not given
into these finger pointers. Enjoy your freedom Tracy, as I enjoy attempt
to enjoy mine. -Blessings on ya, David
SPEAKING
OTHER LANGUAGES
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Jerry Watts
Thank
you for your hard work. Communicating Jesus to this culture means we need
to speak each other' language. If we can't speak how can we proclaim.
I am a youth minister that uses movie clips (the sermons of our culture
today) in almost every bible study. Thank you for your awesome ministry.
Jerry Watts,
AIM Director of Youth Ministries
Salem Lutheran Church,
Glendale, CA
Response:
Right on brother, keep on keepin on. -David
ATHEISTS
FOR HOLLYWOOD JESUS
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Lori
Just
to let you know, Hollywood Jesus is the only Christian site our Atheistic
Society recommends. Thank you for your tolerance and respect. You tend
to show more kindness to people different from you than to narrow minded
Christian types. We have much in common.
Lori
Response:
Thank you Lori, I appreciate you. Personally, I think that narrow minded
Christians hate me just as much as they hate Atheists. I have never understood
why certain Christians don't truly follow Jesus ("love your neighbor"
etc). Sometimes I think Atheists can be more Christ-like in their attitudes.
So, how is that for a paradoxical truth? Please stay in touch, I would
love to chat more off line. -Warmly yours, David
BE
ENCOURAGED
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: "Nick Alexander"
Hi Bruce,
Be very encouraged.
You're doing the right thing. I cannot say I agree entirely with every
single review that you posted. But I do agree with the purpose, to take
popular culture by the horns and to milk it for spiritual insight--benefiting
the Christian thinker, who cherishes new expressions of his firmly-held
faith, and benefiting the evangelist, who looks for the common ground
between him and unbelievers.
There
have been some G-rated movies that inflict far more damage than some R-rated
ultraviolent/erotic films. _Pulp Fiction_, _Brazil_, _Breaking the Waves_,
_Magnolia_, _Happiness_, _Amores Perros_ and _Requiem For a Dream_, are
all R rated or worse, and yet they contain snippets of authentic truth
that serve as a wonderful springboard for self-exploration and evangelism.
Why would I trade that for the damaging effects of _Pokemon_ (G) or _The
First Wives Club_ (PG)?
Those
who know and study movies know it's all about _context_. A fairly clean
and moral movie like _The Spitfire Grill_
gets its rating jacked up to PG-13 because of a subplot over a victim
of incest and a forced abortion (the 'a' word is not even mentioned).
Because
of this, we know the ratings system is a joke. The studios have been using
this same community to push PG-13 fare over the edge over the last few
years. I would rather an R rated movie that examines the serious after-effects
of an evil act rather than a G rated movie that candy-coats it for a lame
punchline. Only those who don't like movies won't care, because the lame
direct-to-family movies they likely see aren't good enough to warrant
a love for movies in the first place.
Don't
get me wrong. I'm all for clean films for the entire family. I almost
wish they have the airplane cut of movies as a DVD option. Most nudity
IS gratuitous, and I would try to turn my head away at every moment an
offending scene would appear. And I believe that more often than not,
a director's creative cut-away from a sex-scene/violent scene makes for
far effective direction--leaving it to the viewers' imagination, which
could be far worse.
Keep
up the good work.
Nick Alexander The "Catholic Weird Al"
http://www.nickalexander.com
Response:
Thank you Nick. I love the Catholic Weird Al thing! You are my kinda guy.
Gosh you should do some reviews for Hollywood Jesus. You are most definitely
on spot. Let's do something together. Email me it it sounds good to you.
-David
Reply
to David: (June 13) Way back when, when HollywoodJesus was first getting
off the ground, we touched base, and I wrote a review for your site (for
Darren Aronofsky's first feature, Pi
....And then... this whole "Catholic Weird Al" thing happened. Needless
to say, my time has been taken up with creating new parodies, performing
for youth groups, and trying to get noticed by whomever would listen.
It's been a great year. I think what you do and what I do are the same
thing at its roots. We both love Jesus, but we also love popular culture.
We don't love Jesus any less because of our love for pop culture, but
our love for pop culture is tempered with an awareness of the truths it
yearns for and the falsehoods it clings to... not unlike how Jesus cried
over Jerusalem. But instead of fearing the falsehoods, we feel very comfortable
over walking through the desolation, which is what believers are called
to do.
To
Catholic Wierd Al, from David: So hey bro, we are brothers!
OPINION
Subject: Newsletter
#26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Tom
David, I am a pastor
(of a "cool church", hopefully), a father of three (4, 11, and 15yrs),
and a cinema buff. My criteria for my kids is "is the movie true and is
it beautiful?" I have seen some G movies that are so stupid and insulting
that I wouldn't allow my kids to watch them and some R movies that were
excellent. Here are a few random thoughts concerning the issue:
1. Why do you keep
visiting these churches? Spiritually masochistic?! :) Why are you so surprised
by these attitudes? (I don't know. I think I will need
to get some therapy, there must be something wrong with me. -David)
2. You have more allies
than you think. If you can find a copy of "Sham Pearls for Real Swine",
by Frank Schaeffer (son of late Dr. Francis Schaeffer) you'll love it.
Among other things, He convincingly argues that Terminator is a pro-life
movie! It is a marvelous rant!
3. Banality and stupidity
are more offensive than "colorful metaphors"!
4. "Christian" movies
are to cinema what "Precious Moments" are to sculpture and Thomas Kinkade
is to art.
5. A real problem:
when I see an violent image (say, a murder) on screen, I know that it
is not real. When I see nudity on screen - it's real! A film with a murder
(like Traffic) is simply staged and therefore
not sinful in itself. Sex scenes in movies are by definition sinful when
filmed (whether simulated or not) and then preserved and distributed for
secondary sinfulness (lust) as we watch them.
6. We had some friends
which we innocently offended by inviting their kids to go to the movies
with our kids (Beauty and the Beast) because Christians don't go to the
movies. But they then invited our kids over to watch a video that we considered
way too violent for them at the time (Jurassic Park). It's okay to watch
the video but not to go to the theatre! (Go figure.
-David)
7. Do you get Ken
Myer's "Mars Hills" tapes? He is the author of "All
God's Children and Blue Suede Shoes". He occasional has a good interview
on the topic of Christians and cinema.
Much grace, Tom
Response:
Thank you Tom. I am totally with you on all your thoughts. You must be
a great father. And, yes, yes you are right I need to slow up on church
visitations, after all, it seems to be a dangerous activity. -David
KEEP
UP THE GOOD WORK...
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Paul
Hi David... I just
read your notes regarding how you were treated by some of the local church
folk. I guess they don't get out much. I have worked for Toronto (Canada,
you know that country just north of you) Youth for Christ for 21 years.
My focus is educating parents, youth workers, and teachers on youth culture
issues. I also work for an agency in Pennsylvania that specializes in
youth culture as well. I always direct my audience to your website as
one of the really insightful places to go. As Tony Campolo once said,
"You'll find truth in the strangest places." Your spiritual insights into
the film kingdom is one such place. "Let us not become weary of doing
good for in due time we shall reap".
Blessings from Canada.
Paul
Response:
Thank you Paul. And thanks for dedicating your life as you have to young
people. That is really a wonderful thing. God bless you man. -David
RESPONSE
TO R-RATED MOVIES & R RATED CHRISTIANS
Subject: Newsletter
#26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Bob Jackson, Pittsburgh, PA
David, Like you, I
get frustrated with "closed" minded or "simple" to "non-existing" minds.
They are not just out there regarding movies, but politics and any other
area.
I am sorry for your
experiences and email from spirit-quenching Christians. At times, I have
to work hard to remember that these folks are brothers and sisters, too.
I agree with you, that when someone from "the world" is looking for hope,
they aren't looking for a moralistic piece of advice. Too often, Christians
are like the "older brother" in Jesus' famous parable regarding the prodigal.
(Very good, I like that -David)
I agree with your
assessment of movies. Too often, a rating says nothing about content.
May I offer one other
suggestion. A few years ago when the movie "The Titanic" was so popular,
I read a review from a Christian minister who I greatly respect otherwise,
who condemned the movie because of its nudity and casual sex scene. As
a minister myself, I had friends sheepishly comment that they had gone
to see it for its entertainment value.
To be fair, I did
have some frustrations with it, as it rewrote history and made the story
into one of class division, and it attributed some comments to some historical
people. However, I have another take on the issues of non-marital sex
as is frequently shown in movies. I think that Hollywood generally does
sex scenes as a very loving interaction, the highest good that it can
give to love and romance (minus the rape scenes, of course). I think that
Hollywood uses "sex" to mean "intimacy." It doesn't know how else to portray
a depth of intimacy and bonding apart from sexual intercourse between
new or young love. (You are absolutely right on this
on. Keen insight. -David)
If my hunch is correct,
then we have to judge Hollywood efforts on their own terms, not ours.
They are attempting to show love, bonding and intimacy. I do not think
that they are necessarily promoting casual sex (at least not all the time).
They want it to be rich and beautiful. I think that in general, the people
writing and expressing their ideas probably do not think that it is portrayed
well, if at all, in long, enduring marriages.
I congratulate you
on your ministry and your efforts to help me and others communicate with
our culture.
--Bob Jackson, Pittsburgh, PA
Response:
Thank you, Bob. I really like how you analyze and reason. That kind of
analysis is difficult for most, because they can not get past their knee
jerk response. Thanks for thinking -David
GAY
FRIENDLY
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: dale
love the sight, david.
thank you for not bashing gays as like those other "christian"
sites do. your openness is refreshing. why is there so much hatred in
christians? what happened to you at that church, happens to us all the
time. i simply will not go to church. you are right in saying that "thomas
kinkade perfect families" go to those churches -everyone else is
not welcome. i am a gen-x outcast. you as an insider who is really an
outcast. when they finally kick you out, remember you have friends
--dale
Response:
You are welcome Dale. You encourage me. Thank you. I truly believe Jesus
loves every gay, every person. And that Jesus' love embraces the entire
gay community.. This whole thing is about love, not hate. If this makes
me an outcast, then so be it. Stay in touch. We can chat. -David
GREAT
WORK!
Subject: Newsletter #26
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Twinky
That was one of the
best newsletters I have heard from Hollywood Jesus. I totally agree with
you wholeheartedly on R-rated critisism from Christians. Some Christians
I have known and do know are so closed minded and oblivious to everyone
that they put up these blinders in front of them. They somehow think that
if they cannot see what is going on around them, it won't affect them.
I recently stopped receiving a magazine (no names mentioned) mostly because
of their "Christian music and movie" reviews. They bashed the Matrix,
for example, because a "real" portrayal of Christ wouldn't have him giving
authority "the finger" or using the Lord's name in vain. I was horribly
tempted to write a complaint letter. How can you expect Hollywood to be
perfect? At least appreciate the symbolism. I mean, Hollywood isn't a
church.
But anyway, it is,
I agree, totally unbelievable what some people to in God's name. They
quote scripture while they are tormenting others. It makes me sick. My
father is a pastor, and he watches many R-rated movies. Does that mean
he is not a Christian? No! I never heard Christ tell us that we should
stay away from the world around us.. no.. he told us to love one another
and follow God's commandments. He never told us to be rock throwers and
judge everyone around us. Thank you so much for your website and your
insight. Keep up the good work and know that there are many Christians
that support you.
~Milena
Response:
Ooh, thank you, Milena. Your words are so thoughtful. Thank you for not
subscribing to that rock throwing rag. There is to much hatred in the
Christian community without supporting it with our dollars. We need to
find common ground with those around us. All too often we build walls.
It is so sad. I shake my head when I think of it. You must make your pastor
dad proud. Thank you for being the supportive daughter that you are. -David
WELCOMING
CHURCH
Newsletter #26
Subject: New Hope Lutheran Church in Neenah, WI
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
From: Pastor Jeff Prewitt
Dear HJ,
Thanks for thinking spiritually and looking for the spiritual in movies.
At this church we try to direct people to consider the spiritual and see
the spiritual all around them. We are New Hope Lutheran Church in Neenah,
WI. website is newhopeconnect.org.
Thanks and rock on.
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