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Subject: Dyan Cannon And Spiritual Rebirth
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001
From: Maydole

(My response in blue -David)

Dear Mr. Bruce:
Although R. Chan's post of 7 May 2001 may read as harsh and mean-spirited, I believe the essential point is correct. Ms. Cannon appears to be focussing upon an emotional experience, rather than sound evangelism.

Note how Ms. Cannon describes spiritual rebirth, as quoted on your Web site: "All you have to do is say yes. Yes, Christ, I will receive this love that you have taught me about. I'll receive it in my heart say yes just as I am right now... ." She rightly describes God as Love, but misses an essential component of rebirth, the recognition that one is a sinner in need of a Saviour. (My gosh, it's a sound bite edited by CNN, from a service when Dyan knew the secular media was recording her. Basing your judgement on that is not a truly fair. Give her a break, she did a good job.)

Compare Ms. Cannon's view with that of Jesus, as recorded in the Gospel of Luke: "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, `God, have mercy on me, a sinner.' "I [Jesus] tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." (Luke 18:13-14) (Why are you doing this? Why do Christians continually bash Christians? In the conversion of the Ethiopian, and of Saul (Acts 8-9), is sin or repentance even mentioned? Where is the call to repentance when Peter preached to the Gentiles (Acts 11:34-48). Although I believe that repentance is certainly a part of regeneration (Acts 2:38), I point these scriptures out to you, because if we apply the grid you place on Dyan Cannon's CNN sound bite to certain Bible passages the same thing happens. Would you dismiss those passages due to your grid? So again, be kind. Dyan did a powerful thing my coming forward. Please stop throwing rocks, it is painful. I can only imgine Dyan's sadness as she reads your letter).

The Good News of the Gospel is not simply that God is Love, nor only that He Loves the world. Rather, the Good News is that we who are the natural enemies of God might be reconciled to Him through the gift of His Son, Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10-11). There is nothing wrong with becoming emotional about the grandeur, majesty, and generosity of God. But if in so doing we neglect to mention that the whole purpose of Christ's Incarnation, Death, and Resurrection was to save humans from their sins, then we have preached "a different gospel" -- a polite way of saying that we have actually preached deceit. (Deceit? Different Gospel? You are painful to read. May God forgive you. How dare you speak against some precious soul that you don't know. How dare you speak publicly against another when you do not have all the facts. May the love that Dyan Cannon speaks about penetrate your heart)
Sincerely, Leland Edward Stone

Subject: Sherk
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001
From: Tyler Orton

After excess consumption of Disney in family films and children's animation, "Shrek" can best be described with one word: refreshing. It appealed to the wide-range of audience members sitting in the theater. Animated films often seem to rely on jokes about clumsiness to get laughs out of their core audience, children. In "Shrek" many of the funnier scenes were actually directed to the older audience allowing them to be much more satisfied with the ten dollars they forked over then what one would expect. However since they were trying to appeal to older audiences they also pushed the borderline for a PG rating a little but. I'm sure the term jackass was used at least three or four times. Not exactly the word you want seven-year old children to be chiming about as they leave the theater. There was only one downside to this clever, original film. The clichá misunderstanding between two characters when one overhears a conversation halfway in the process and simply assumes something else. This seems to be an important plot point in half the movies that I have seen. The main theme of the film was to find what is important on the inside. While it may seem unoriginal when reading about the plot of the story, the creators go about showing this in a very thoughtful and entertaining manner. There isn't an age group that will not enjoy "Shrek", which will help a lot when trying to choose a film that the entire family will watch for nearly two hours.
Tyler Orton

Subject: Crouching_Tiger
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001
From: Laura

I think William Shakespeare would have liked this movie. It has some similarities to Romeo and Juliet...at least in the tragedy of it all. I also felt as if there was a lot of Biblical symbolism in the movie---Jade Fox as "The Evil One," ...Jen as "The Tempted One," etc...

However, it wasn't marketed at all as the kind of movie I found it to be. I have watched other foreign films with subtitles, and after the first few minutes, you find it easy to follow. In fact, after an hour or so....you almost feel as if you can understand the spoken language....and the subtitles almost feel unnecessary. My husband almost decided not to see it when he found out it was not dubbed. I'm glad he changed his mind and went with me.

We didn't discuss our feelings about the end of the movie right away. It's the kind of film that leaves you.....well.....wanting a different ending. (Kind of like Romeo and Juliet?) It's not just a love story.....CTHD is not just a tragedy...it's not a comedy....and it's not a fantasy.....but it has some elements of all of these things. If you haven't seen it yet (Christian or not), you really will enjoy it. From the Christian's point of view, I do feel there is much symbolism in it....relating to giving over our lives and surrendering it all before true happiness and healing can take place. Believe what you will about the end....but it's the rest of the movie that is worth your time and attention. The scenery is eye candy....the music is exciting....the acting superb and the costumes are beautiful. You'll almost believe that when you walk away from the movie.....you'll be able to fly.

In fact.....I feel like wielding a sword right now. Think I'll go outside first.

Subject: Hollywood Jesus #25
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001
From: Lynda Gaug

Dear David, Very interesting list! Two that I would add would be two of my very favorite films and actually won a few awards:
l. Places in the Heart (what a wonderful film about grace!) and
2. Trip to Bountiful (some of the best characters ever put on paper/film and a great film about home and HOME).
Lynda Gaug

Subject: All_The_Pretty_Horses
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001
From: "Sandra Oishi"

In the Movie "All the Pretty Horses", two young cowboys ride down to texas on horse back, looking for work, after Jon's mother sells their cattle ranch in Texas. This film shows how earth can be seen to many as Heaven and as Hell to others. Jon the cowboy, once in Mexico working on a cattle ranch, discovers the owners daughter and they have a love affair that would not be approved of if found out by her family. They go through many struggle on their trip in Mexico. They are hauld off to jail, for supposedly stealing a horse, and then they are beaten by other prisoners. Jon ends up killing a man while he is in prison. Eventually they manage to get out of the prison. From these experiences we see the beauty of God's creation, and we also see the parts of earth that we figure as human's could be no worse than Hell. This movie at the beginning show the two friends lying in a pile of hay, talking about heaven and hell, and how they were unsure of the two. But they were curious to know whether you could believe in Heaven without Hel, because God had never given them any experience in which they could relate to Hell. I think through the movie we are supposed to acknowledge the struggle that they went through and how God's grace saved them from the very depths of their lives.

Subject: Vertical Limit
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001
From: Lisa

Vertical Limit is a movie about people fights with nature and other people at the same time. The storm had came unpredictable and fast, a group of 6 have to face it and try to survive. the theme of this movie will be that a personˇ¦s real character shows only during the hardship and therefore what people appear to be isnˇ¦t necessary what they really are. There were some great shots of the mountains, it started from the bottom of the mountains to its top showed how powerful the mountains were. The camera always predict what the character will do next, for example, when they were asking if anyone wanted to go with them, a shot was taken to a girl and her face has a impression that she couldnˇ¦t decide what she want to do. And the next shot was that she is already waiting for them to go. But there is no shot to predict what the nature will do next, b/c the director wants to give viewers surprise and by doing that it makes the film mush more intense and interesting. Elliot is the only bad guy in the movie, he insisted to go on when the leader said no. And by this we know that he will be the bad guy. A humanˇ¦s evilness is even more dangerous than the nature, Elliot killed the leader of his group even before the nature did. The most stand out scene was the blood been splashed on the ice. The blood belonged to the leader of the group like Jesus, He is the leader of the Christian body, he shed blood for us so we could be saved and have eternal life.

Subject: Fight Club
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001
From: Mike

The story is based on a pathetic man, stuck in a dead end job, and constantly tired due to insomnia. He begins to fake illnesses to get into support groups in order to cry. This outlet allows him to finally sleep at night, until Marla starts showing up at his groups. He knows she is doing the same as him, but with her around he can't let go, which means no more sleep. Then he meets Tyler, who is the most interesting person he's ever met. He goes home to find his apartment blown clear out of the building, homeless and desperate he calls Tyler. Tylers philosophy about not buying into consumerism shocks this man, as his belief is quite the opposite. Eventually the become friends and start fight club, which is basically self-explanatory by the name. This becomes an outlet for the man and he can continue sleeping again. Then Tyler takes it to far and the man wants out, only to realize of course that he is in fact Tyler. He must then face Tyler, himself, in order to stop the destruction he has created. The movie to me is essentially seeing the Tyler inside of myself. The person inside of you that does everything you could not. I kind of picture Tyler as sin, the hate towards everything that has built up over years of torment. Then seeing that sin and almost embracing it as an outlet for your suffering. As it slowly starts to take you over you realize its power and destructive nature. From there it is up to you to confront the evil and overcome it. I strongly recommend this movie to just about everyone, it has to be one of the best I have ever seen. It makes you think, and in some areas it plays the devils advocate. I believe questioning your faith and finding answers is the way to a healthier relationship with God. I'm not saying watch fight club to grow in your faith, I'm simply recommending because it made me think about my relationship with Christ, and it may help you as well.

Subject: Shrek Review By Chelsea
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001
From: "chelsea ."

Even though Shrek is an animated movie, I would personally say that it applies more to adults than kids. Despite the content of various fairy tales, there is some material that only older people would understand. I think this is a great idea, because they can market people of all ages, and they all get something out of it. The kids laugh at the simple jokes and love the neat characters and the adults see the excellent plot and understand the hidden comedy. The story line in Shrek is one that holds a lot of value. It takes a simple message and turns it into a valuable lesson. A lesson about love and the emotional side, not the physical appearance side. She is surprised to find that the man who rescues her isn't a prince but rather an ogre, and she is quite bossy as to what he is to do. When they begin to like each other it becomes apparent that the princess is still hiding something form Shrek. It ends up that the princess tuns into an ogre at night when the sun goes down, it was a spell cast on her that when she kisses her true love she will be turned into her true beautiful self. When they do kiss the princess is turned into an ugly ogre just like Shrek and this is an incredible surprise to him and her as well. She was extremely ashamed of looking like an ogre but this only lasted for a while until she realized that Shrek loved her the way she was. They both received a gift from each other and that was themselves. This is the important message that even though her external beauty was an "ugly" ogre, she found true and pure love with Shrek. We should not judge people before we get to know them because it is important to see the inside of them, we may learn many valuable lessons. The movie ends happily ever after just like every good fairy tale does, the small children get the basics out of this, and the adults really learn some neat things.

Subject: Help I so agree Newsletter_25
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001
From: Dorothy Holland

David, I have recently gone through a huge transformation in what I listen to on the radio, what I watch on tv and what I watch at the movies. Particularly because I realize my ministry is with Gen D, Gen X, busters and boomers, plus whatever we are going to call the next generation. I am excited to have heard about your site recently, at a Maranatha Worship Conference. If we are to remain relevant to "the world" we have to be able to use "world speak". Because if we are not able to relate to them on their level, we will have a lot harder time relating God to them.

I have two suggestions:
1. TV reviews: You may be doing this, but I keep getting linked to Amazon.com when I click on t.v. Specifically I am working on a second sermon about the "Survivor" series and would love to have other input, resources.
2. Sermon exchanges or idea outlines from other ministers. I just wanted to tell you to keep up the good work. There are people that truly understand and need your help.
In His Service, Dorothy Holland

Subject: review of Shrek by nicole cappon
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001
From: "Nicole Cappon"

Shrek I often think that animated films advertised as "suitable for adults too" really aren't. The story lines are usually simple and sickly heartwarming, and the only adult aspect of the film is one or two highbrow jokes that may, or may not for that matter, fly over a five year old's head. I found Shrek to be delightfully different. Not only was the animation amazing but the plot and writing were as well. I was laughing along with the theatre full of kids, and their parents, when my viewing companion brought me back into happy-go-lucky-kid's-movie syndrome by attempting to predict the end of the film.

We had just been made aware of the fact that the dashing Princess Fiona becomes a green ogre with a visage similar to that of Shrek's when the sun goes down due to a previously cast spell. The only way to end the hideous curse was for her to kiss her true love. My companion suggested that once Shrek and Princess Fiona shared "true love's first kiss" not only would she remain a constant human beauty, but Shrek would become handsome as well. Perhaps all ogres are waiting for "true love's first kiss" to restore them to what society has deemed the appropriate way to look. At this I lost it, here I was enjoying this "child's" film and now I was faced by this possible heinous ending. I wanted Shrek to remain the ogre he was, I didn't want that theatre full of kids to go home and think that people can only fall in love with each other if they look like Ken and Barbie. These two had already fallen in love in spite of the way either of them looked, why ruin it now with a stereotypical ending. As the kiss was shared I waited with baited breath to see if my friend's apocalyptic prediction would come true (by now I was extremely convinced that it would).

My fears were laid to rest, as Princess Fiona remained an ogre and proceeded to marry Shrek. Yes, that's right, the movie defined true beauty as being on the inside of a person instead of the outside. A little sappy, I know, but it was definitely a favorable ending, I found myself not caring who looked like what so long as they were together in the end. The movie kept my attention and kept me laughing, it even had an enjoyable message within it.

God has a plan for us all, and our ignoring it because of the way it looks on the outside, is a stupid and selfish reason for not doing something. If we follow his path he will provide for us. Shrek and Fiona took the chance that things may not go perfectly, or end happily ever after, and so must we. The Lord knows what he is doing and we must trust in him.

Subject: review of The Mummy Returns
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001
From: Gary

The Mummy Returns is a movie that has a lot of good special effects. It also is about a war, the war is evil vs evil vs good. The first evil is a Scorpion king (the Rock) who sells his soul to an evil god. He sold it so he could kill his enemies and this evil god saved him. The other evil is the same one from The Mummy (Imhotep). He is still in search of immortality but now he has his lover back, so he wants to be wants her eternally. The good is Rick (Brendan Fraser), Evelyn (Rachel Weisz), their son Alex (Freddie Boath) and the Magi who are chosen by God to fight evil. Each side wants and needs the other two sides to be dead before they can win.

It is good for the people who like watching movies a lot of special effects. Also it has a kid who is really smart but he is annoying sometimes. It is really funny and it has action from beginning to end. The bad of it is that the special effects are all mummies and people or mummies dying. Also the dead get raised a lot in this movie. The movie is a little long (over 2 hours) but it goes by quickly.

The kid puts on the bracelet of the scorpion king and he gets kidnapped. Now the parents, Rick and Evelyn, have to save their son before he is killed. They also will have to defeat the two evil powers by destroying thee scorpion king and his army as well as Imhotep (Arnold Vosloo) and his lover and their followers.

Subject: Pearl Harbor
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001
From: "Dhiren Mahiban"

Pearl Harbor: Love Story, I think not. Many complained that all the movie Pearl Harbor was going to be about was a love story. But it wasn't, only a third of it was what you might call a love story, the rest of the movie consisted of a friendship between Danny (Josh Hartnett) and Rafe (Ben Affleck). The main plot of the movie however was the actual attack and the time leading up to the attack. The main part of the movie consisted of the Japanese planning the attack, the actual attack on Pearl Harbor and then the American's counterattack. The best part of the movie was Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, as well as the scenes, which showed how the Japanese set spies to plan out their attack. The effects looked so real and I think Michael Bay did a great job. Also the Americans attack on Japan was really good too. It showed how the Americans will never let anyone else have the last say.
>From Dhiren Mahiban

Subject: Knocking the World Newsletter_25
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001
From: "Pastor Z"

Your argument is valid. Christians too often act as if they can be separated from the world. I suppose this grows out of the warning to "be part of but apart from" the world. I enjoyed reading your long list of movies acceptable and supportive of Christianity. I suspect there are many more.

A couple of fellow pastors and I have been struggling with movie titles for several weeks because we plan to use five films for our Confirmation Summer Camp. Watch a flick--break the kids into groups and take a stab at getting the kids to see Christian faith as it works IN THE WORLD!

Before we get too carried away with condemning the world we need to remember that God created the world and after each day's work we are told that the creation was good. Creation has been broken by our sinfulness, to be sure, but we are still called to be caretakers of what is, not what ought to be.

Subject: West Wing Television
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001
From: Darrel Manson

I don't think anyone on West Wing has a problem with religion. They treat various important issues from a wide range of perspectives, including religious perspectives. It's refreshing to allow us to see some of the people as people of faith struggling with what that means.

An example is a show in which President Bartlett had to deal with whether to offer clemency to a man about to be executed. The President (a Roman Catholic) asked his old parish priest to meet with him. Many people of faith (Jewish, Quaker, Catholic) all urged him to stop the execution. After he received word that the execution had been carried out, he confessed to the priest.

Railing against God is not anti-religious. In fact it is often the most faithful response to a tragedy that we are capable of.
-- Darrel Manson ><>Artesia Christian Church
ICQ 5624184 ><>Artesia, CA http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch01198
Work like you don't need the money.
Love like you've never been hurt.
Dance like nobody's watching. --Leroy "Satchel" Paige

Subject: thoughts on Pearl_Harbor
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001
From: Sabrina Lewis

I thought Pearl Harbor had its major pros and cons. Well first of all, I thought the cinematography was amazing, especially during the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I liked how they showed different views of the war. From Cuba Gooding Jr.'s character of the black cook to the Japanese General, all were well exemplified. Also the idea of how sexuality should be something not taken lightly was a surprise to me. I personally can't remember a recent movie that tried to make that point. The idea of grace between best friends was touching. I liked how the bombing of Pearl Harbor didn't some how glorify the Americans. What I didn't like about the movie was how it was so long. The two hour love story seemed quiet irrelevant to me. I started to drift off to sleep. The love story wasn't even decent. If it has to last for 2hrs, couldn't they have written a better screenplay for it? Overall, I think that the movie is not worth seeing for the storyline, but the for the special effects. It was just another Hollywood blockbuster that could have been better in many ways.
from Sabrina Lewis

Subject: Tickled Ears Chocolat
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001
From: Nick Alexander The "Catholic Weird Al"

Due to miscommunication on a non-stop flight, I was only able to catch the final forty-five minutes of "Chocolat" the in-flight movie. I was familiar enough with the story from the reviews I had read, that I was able to jump in the middle. Granted, I missed was the set-up: the initial characterizations of Binochet's character, Dench's, Molina's, and Moss's characters. I missed an apparently offensive scene where a Eucharist is jump-cutted to a chocolate wafer. I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

For what I did catch: I respected the scene where the Mayor (Molina) confronts Peter Stomare's character... at least that wasn't a complete whitewash of a stereotype. And the scenes of the fire were certainly effectively used to cause sympathy to the heroine.

Maybe it's just me... but the climactic scene where the Mayor was praying--asks God what to do--feels inclined to take a letter opener and destroy all of the chocolate in the store... ESPECIALLY since this was the night before Easter, which was TECHNICALLY Holy Saturday Vigil, which in the Catholic religion, already WAS Easter, making the chocolate ALREADY appropriate for consumption (but who would want to eat it late at night?). And yet, the Mayor, in his misguided piety, destroys the chocolate, finally tastes it, and converts.

How could you not cringe during that scene? Not only was it insulting to Christians, but it even from an unbeliever's perspective, it was poorly acted, poorly scripted, poorly edited, and an embarassment for both Molina and Hallstrom. Did I miss something in the translation? Five minutes afterward, we are given the director's/screenwriter's true motif--directly stated--in the climactic homily by the parish priest. In the context of the movie, I suppose his words makes sense. But in the context of Easter, it doesn't. It appears that the priest (and thus, the screenwriter/director) have no inclination of the merits of fasting, the merits of self-denial, AND... in the triumph of Easter, the merits of full scale celebration.

Don't they GET it?? To deny little pleasures, like Chocolate, during Lent so that when Easter comes the Chocolate may be consumed?? To store up some of the storehouses so that when the year of Jubilee comes, that a full scale party can take place? To store up one's virginity so that when the marriage covenant is finally bestowed, one can enjoy its fruits with the abandonment in proper perspective?? To deny yourself ten percent of finances in tithing, so that God may be honored?

I believe this film is not an examination of "grace vs. works" which would make for a wonderful story (e.g. Les Miserables), but an insidious attack on those who deny self, take up their crosses, and follow Christ. So much for the "tolerance" it allegedly preaches!
Nick Alexander The "Catholic Weird Al"

Subject: Mexican Review The_Mexican
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001
From: Heinen

The Mexican's underlying theme is one of love and commitment. One of the lines that is repeated several times throughout the movies is: "When two people love each other, but they just can't quite get it together, when is enough, enough?" At the end of the movie both Jerry and Samantha come to the conclusion that enough is never enough. This movie presents very positive views of love and relationships, in the end deciding that love is worth pursuing, and is more than a physical attraction. Many aspects of the legend of the gun parallel Jerry and Samantha's story. The way that the producer develops the legend of "The Mexican", as the movie progresses parallels Jerry's eventual realization of his love for Samantha. There are a few things in the movie that Christians should disagree with. Despite the fact that the movie depicts a love relationship as involving commitment, it also seems to make the stretch that marriage is not necessary, that living together before marriage is perfectly acceptable. The movie also depicted "Leroy's" homosexual relationship as completely acceptable. There was also a considerable amount of swearing, and a little violence in this movie. In one of the first scenes of the movie, the dominance that Samantha has over Jerry in their relationship is made very clear. Samantha is on the balcony, hurling Jerry's luggage at him, and telling him that she's going to leave him. The low angle used to film Samantha and the high angle used to film Jerry make her dominance very clear. The Mexican was a very good movie that showed a different perspective on relationships than filmmakers typically present.

Subject: Pearl_Harbor
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001
From: Josh N.

I thought that the movie really could have done better than it did. The commercials made the movie look better than it was, but i have got to admit that the special effects where excellent, and the dog fight scenes where very well done. I wacthed the moive and the first thing that came into my mind was how Americanized it was. As a Canadian, i respect Americans, but when they make it look like Pearl Harbour was not a major blow into their pride, it really bugged me. I also didn't like the love story in the movie. It's not the way the guy is supposed to get the girl. I would have rahter had the typical Hollywood ending to the movie than have Rafe get Evelen that way. You can't just kill off his best friend, Danny, who was the father of the baby to have Rafe get his woman back. And my last point is, the movie was dragged out way to long. Three hours for a half hour event is just pulling it. To put in a simple way, i would rather have watched Titanic again.
Josh N.

Subject: Angel_Eyes
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001
From: Danielle Grober

Angel Eyes
This film was incredible. I loved the way Jennifer Lopez expressed her acting talent in this film as well as expressing her own feelings through interviews. The film has a mellow, sort of shallow theme to it. There was an un wanted sex scene in there and with no comment on her acting ability there, i will express i was greatly disappointed. There was no need to have that on film and how both characters expressed their language swearing and using the Lords name. Jennifer commented once that as much as she liked the diversity of the film with the context that she could be herself in it, she didn't like the way she was potrayed as a women. I strongly agree because she seemed so unbelievably easy, and what are girls supposed to think when they see her and think of her as a role model? They feel they are entitled to do what she has done. No one really considers, however, it is a film. Hollywood does portray women as sex objects, men as blood thirsty criminals, and God-- a fairy tale that is too good to be true. Sure, it would be nice if He existed, but he doesn't, so its not helping anything--type of attitude. Entertainment all together i becoming more hopeless and less fulfilling as it once did many years ago.
Danielle Grober

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