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BEST
JESUS MOVIE OF ALL TIME
Subject: Gospel_According_to_St_Matthew
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002
From: Darrel Manson
I watched this again
for the first time in about 30 years. I slept through most of it when
we were suppose to be watching in in college. It is at times hard to keep
going with the pacing and the poor subtitles.
However, it
is probably the best Jesus movie ever made. It is interesting that it
took a Marxist to make a film that is true to the Gospel. Perhaps because
he didn't bring all the church's baggage along with him.
Darrel Manson ><>Artesia
Christian Church
ICQ 5624184 ><>Artesia, CA
http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch01198
Age is too high a
price to pay for maturity.
-Kudzu by Doug Marlett
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MY
FAVORITES FROM 2001
Subject: Biggest_impact_films
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002
From: Darrel Manson
Memento is probably
my top film for the year. It gives us a chance to consider the difficulty
in defining truth in a post-mod world.
I'm also very fond
of Moulin Rouge and Amelie.
--
Darrel Manson ><>Artesia Christian Church
ICQ 5624184 ><>Artesia, CA
http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch01198
Age is too high a
price to pay for maturity.
-Kudzu by Doug Marlett
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EXCELLENT
READING
Subject: Moulin_Rouge
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002
From: Shân
Excellent reading
- i loved your essay on MR ... just one thing though, and maybe it's been
pointed out before but you mentioned that Christian takes a room in a
hotel that says "Chambres a la journée" - that doesn't mean for the journey,
it means for a day, ie you can rent a room just for the day. Voyage in
french means journey.
Thanks, Shân
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GREETINGS
Subject: Newsletter_32
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002
From: Ken Priebe"
Hi David--
Congratulations on 4 years of Hollywood Jesus! Hope all is well with you.
I miss the correspondence comments! Haven't seen any new ones in a month.
The hate-mail in that last newsletter was saddening and shocking. You
are a brave soul to put up with it. Tis a crazy world we live in.
Hey, let me know if
you're ever in the Vancouver, BC area; we could meet up somewhere.
God Bless,
Ken Priebe
Response:
I sure will. And the comments are in the process of being posted. -David
IF
A PERSON
Subject: Newsletter_32
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002
From: Anne and Greg
If a person lives with ridicule he learns to be shy.
If a person lives with shame he learns to feel guilty.
If a person lives with tolerance he learns to be patient.
If a person lives with encouragement he learns confidence.
If a person lives with praise he learns to appreciate.
If a person lives with fairness he learns justice.
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I
LIKED IT
Subject: Astronauts_Wife
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002
From: Debbie Wells
Who cares if he was an alien, with his looks, you could overlook alot.I
would.Yes, the movie did need a little more content though,and I think it
could have been a great movie, but is lacking.All and all though I liked
it and bought it.
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NOT
ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE THOUGH...
Subject: Se7en
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002
From: Jayson Dibble, Kalamazoo, Michigan
I disagree with
"Mollie" somewhat in her reply to the review of Se7en: She argues that
Christians don't need to be reminded of the ugliness in this world. Perhaps
this is true of certain individuals, but she cannot claim that Christains
in general need not be faced with our world's dark bits. Jesus says we
don't have to be of this world, but we do have to live in it. And if we
ever hope to make changes in it, we have to know what's wrong with it.
Even as Christians, we're all at different levels of eye-opening. Some
people need the movie's reminder. I don't want to take away or Mollie's
opinions or the things she felt when viewing the film. However, I'd like
her to understand that because we all were created differently and all
make different choices, some of us are in a life station where Se7en reaches
us where we may happen to be.
Peace be with you.
Jayson Dibble, Kalamazoo, Michigan
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WHO
WROTE ...?
Subject: Something_To_Sing_About
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002
From: Yvonne Jackson"
Who is the artist who wrote Cry Holy? |
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I
AM A WICCAN
Subject: News 32
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002
From: Raven Child
I am Wicca.
For one, we do not belive in hate, revenge, or destruction and we do not
drink blood unless it is our own. In the Wiccan Rede it clearly and perfectly
states we are not to harm anyone. In other cultures such as Satanism,
they belive sacrifice, the drinking of blood, ect. is necisarry. We however
do not. We belive all life is created by mother earth. We too belive in
gods but not the all mighty god. Harry Potter is just a book. It may be
represented in Public schools but again its just a book get over it. If
you dont like it dont read it, simple as that. Christians may find it
offensive but us some of us Wiccans find the Bible offensive and its every
where to. Learn to live with it.
-Raven Child
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RESPONSE
TO COMMENT BY NANCY
Subject: A_Beautiful_Mind
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002
From: GG
On the comment of
Nancy Errebo. I must object to her saying how Psychiatric treatment is
respectful. They zapped his brain and I'm sure not with his consent. I
was in the Marines and they diagnosed me manic depressive I was taken
to a hospital and given thorozene without my consent. That drug is like
getting hit in your head with a sledgehammer. I can't imagine having electroshock
therapy. That part of my life was and still is an embarrassing and puzzling
part of my life and who's to say it didn't hinder my brain function since.
As a society we have not learned what your diet can help or hinder brain
function. The Hippocratic oath is to "First do no harm." The medical universities
and colleges only have a few hours of nutritional studies in there programs.
Why? Ask your doctor how much studies on nutritional studies he had. Its
a shame that big business can so easily sell the ! public "big macs and
fruitloops and donuts" and not think that it has an effect on our brain.
I really felt for Nash when he was in that hospital and I'm glad that
he survived that episode. Hollywood should make a movie about the injustice
of the psychiatric field.
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WHAT
STIGMATA IS ALL ABOUT
Subject: Stigmata
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002
From: Jeremy
My name is Jeremy,
please don't use my email address on your site if you post this.
Stigmata is a great
movie. Fiction: yes. Entertaining: yes. Thought provoking: yes. Let me
first start by saying this; movies today are the literature of yester-year.
What used to be the job of literature and art, such as provoking thought,
challenging the status quo, etc., has fallen into the hands of the screenplay
writers. If anyone thinks for a minute that these screenplays are strictly
for entertainment clearly hasn't watched movies.
Next the issues
that the movie Stigmata addresses. The first and foremost message is the
silencing of the truth. This parable (Stigmata) is that of Christ's life,
he had a message that was proved to be a threat to the religious leaders
at the time and so they sought to silence this messenger. Just like the
Catholic leader attempted to do to the hair-dresser in the film, when
he tried to kill her. This message calls each and every clergy member
to the floor (of which I am included). It makes us question if we have
ever done things contrary to the message in order to keep our jobs. It
is a issue that the Pharisees were faced with, its an issue that the Priest
was faced with in the film and its an issue that we are faced with in
the ministry today.
The other issue
that the movie tries to raise is that of a "hidden gospel". They try to
say that this hidden gospel is from Jesus Christ and are His words. In
reality this Gospel of Thomas is indeed quite available to anyone who
looks for it. The reason that it is not included with the Bible (canon)
as we know it is this. First of all the Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic
text, and in 397 AD at the Council of Carthage where the current Bible
was compiled, the Christian leaders were attempting to gather the best
texts about Jesus into one volume in order to eliminate the confusion
and false teachings that were sweeping through the church at the time.
They found, as do many scholars today, that the Gospel of Thomas was Gnostic
(which is deemed by many as heretical). The problem with gnosticism is
that it concentrates on "knowledge" (which is the Greek root of Gnostic)
of Christ as being that which saves, instead of the relationship with
Christ. It was precisely this line of thought that the Council of Carthage
was trying to remove from the Christian churches of its time. And that
is why the Gospel of Thomas as well as many other ancient texts were left
out of the current Bible.
The reason that
the screen-play writer as well as Hollywood chose to use this Gospel of
Thomas is to try and make an issue out of something that is not an issue.
If they provoke people to look for this "Gospel" when they find it they
will immediately think that their Pastors and Clergy have kept some dark
secret from them, and thus cast a dark shadow over the church. They attempt
to use a little fact to propagate a big fiction. But, those are just my
thoughts. See what you think.
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A
GREAT FILM
Subject: Dracula 2000
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002
From: Lowkuss
I think that this
was a great movie with lots of thought put into it, its just kinda sad
to see some people making too big of a deal about it by thinking its a
movie against jesus or it's acually someone's belief, when all it really
is, is just a movie about a "what if" situation in the bible, any way
i just think it was a really good and well thought out movie
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MY
POINT OF VIEW: BOTH AGREE AND DISAGREE
Subject: Newsletter_29
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002
From: "Kevin Hooper"
You may or may not
have seen this, but it was forwarded to me in email, and I believe it
brings up an interesting point:
Bryant Gumbel recently
interviewed Billy Graham's daughter. Gumbel: "Why didn't God stop
this or do something about this?"
Billy Graham's daughter: "For years we have told God we< didn't
want Him in our schools. We didn't want Him in our government and we
didn't want Him in our finances and God was being a perfect gentleman
in doing just what we asked Him to do. We need to make up our mind do
we want God or do we not want Him. We cannot just ask Him in when disaster
strikes."
Bryant Gumbel
was silent. On the day that it happenned, I was asked by a friend of mine
what I thought. I told him that the terrorist attack was a wake up call.
We here in America had gotten complacent, arrogant, and lazy. Most of
our nation had either forgotten about God, or forsaken Him altogether.
The past few generations have come along never experiencing a tragedy
of this magnitude, and many lived under the false premise that we couldn't
be touched, that our nation, as a whole, could never be hurt in such a
big way. We thought that we were impervious to outside threats, that all
we had to do was play nice with the world, and the world would play nice
back... We were wrong...
On the morning
of September 11, 2001 the whole of the United States of America received
a wake-up call. For the first time since the attack on Pearl Harbor, we
had sustained an attack on our nation's soil. For the first time in our
nation's history, the mainland was attacked by unforseen outside forces.
Whether or not it was God sending His judgement through that event I feel
is not the real issue here. In hindsight, the events that transpired in
9-11 and for a few days following that, thanks to the strong faith of
our president and a rather impromtu gathering of spiritual leaders, the
Reverend Billy Graham included, God received His first bit of positive
PR from many outlets in the mainstream media in decades. More to the point,
I do not believe that God sent His devine judgement on us through this
catastrophe, but rather, He USED this tragic event to bring a nation,
which had publicly despised Him in recent years, closer to Him.
In Christ,
-Kevin Hooper
Response:
I totally disagree with Anna Lotz Graham. And I totally agree with Billy
Graham. They each expressed two very different views. Billy Graham said
it was an evil act which God is against. He stated that his greatest struggle
has been to understand why God permits such evil. It is a mystery he said.
Anna, however, has it all figured out. She would do well to listen to
the wisdom of her father. Anna is basiclly saying that God took revenge
on innocent people because of abortion etc. There is a judgement coming,
but 9/11 was not it. God does not kill innocent people to get people to
love him. Does anyone see this simple truth? Evil exists and it is not
God in disguise. I agree with you that God USES such events, however.
-David
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CHRISTIAN
ART
Subject: Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:36:52 -0600
From: Kim
One of your
newsletters in the last year talked at length about the lack of religious/Christian
art that is being created in our modern world. I believe you centered
on the lack of MASTERS, such as Michalangelo. As an artist, your observations
have really stuck with me since then and I've constantly looked for good
Christian art.
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QUESTIONS
Subject: Questions!
Date:Fri, 22 Mar 2002
From: Devon
Hi! My name is Devon
Woods and I love your site. I have a few questions. I am a senior and for
my English class, I have to write a Senior thesis. My topic is What is the
influence of Christianity in the American Culture. I was wondering if you
knew of any resources that I could use. Thank you for your time!! God Bless
You!
! ; Becauase HE lives
~Devon
Response:
I wish I could help, but I am on overload. Check out the HJ book section.
-David
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PRODUCER
OF SPITFIRE GRILL
Subject: SpitfireGrill
Date:Sun, 3 Mar 2002
From:"Rose
The film was financed
by the Sacred Heart League of Walls, MS, but they did not exercise creative
control. Instead, they let writer Zlotoff free to create a story that would
make a positive contribution to our culture.
I think this is a wonderful
film.
Rose Pacatte, FSP
Director The PAULINE CENTER FOR MEDIA STUDIES is a project of the Daughters
of St. Paul of the US-Toronto Province. The Center was founded in 1995 to
promote media literacy education in schools and faith communities. |
STICK
MEN
Subject: Blair witch 2
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002
From: Sioux
God! Hasn't anyone noticed
that the whole movie is full of stick men and pentagrams??!! Check out the
rafters in Jeffs place for examples They're everywhere!!
Sioux |
TENDER
MERCIES SOUND TRACK
Subject: Tender Mercies
Date:Sat, 2 Mar 2002
From: MJ
I am also looking for
the soundtrack to Tender Mercies. If anyone knows where to get one (preferably
on CD), please let me know.
Thanks,
MJ |
PEARL
HARBOR REVIEW
Subject: Pearl Harbor Review
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002
From: Josh Hartnett
I disagree with all
of the bad reviews of Pearl Harbor said by anyone. I have watched it 45
times and know every little detail. First of which is, OK, Betty said
she lied about her age and enlisted in the Navy...which means she is not
18, she is 17. That is why she says, "We're gonna wait two years until
I'm nineteen. Red can buy me a ring." Also, I have been doing a great
amount of research on the actual attack on Pearl Harbor, Oahu, Hawaii.
I am reading a book called Day Of Infamy. Pearl Harbor is VERY historically
accurate! You know when the guy with Navy Newsreel says, "I didn't even
know the Japs were sore at us!"? That really happened. Someone said, "I
didn't even know they were sore at us!" Also, if you notice, as the Japanese
are listening to the radio, it says, "This is KGMB in Honolulu..." KGMB
is the actual station. There were actually 2 guys who shot down 7 planes,
portrayed by Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett, two very good and hot actors,
! as they are flying in the air, shooting the Japanese planes during the
raid. I also disagree with whoever said that the survivors didn't like
it. On the behind the scenes, there were a lot of survivors, and they
were all invited to the set. They sure ACTED like they liked it. The planes
did fly very close to the ground. They DO feel that the bomb that blew
up the Arizona came from a high level bomber and went into the magazine
room. Some American's did suspect that Japan would try and hit Pearl Harbor
(Dan Akyroid). When Jon Voight stands up and says, "Do not tell me, 'It
can't be done!' ", that's not something to be "offended" by. It just adds
to the feel of things. His speech after December 7 is completely accurate.
The Battle of Britain is really at the right spot: The White Chalk Cliffs
of Dover. I loved the movie. It did not get you emotionally envolved with
too many characters. Just Rafe, Danny, and Evelyn. That's why you cry
at the end. Well, why I cry at least. I think they portray Evelyn Johnson,
Kate Beckinsale, as just some girl who tries to have sex with every guy.
First she tries Rafe; he said no. She tries Danny; he said yes and got
her pregnant. Then, she gets back with Rafe. It's like she doesn't care
WHO it is. Almost all of the military men were out at night at clubs and
parties on December 6th, 1941.
OK, I think I am going
too long...sorry.
If you feel differently about any of these and have a strong opinion about
it,
email me at JoshHartnettFANATIC@joshhartnett.com.
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DETH
CRITIQUES
Subject: Megadeth_The_World_Needs_A_Hero
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002
From: Bio rick
Those of you knowing
little/nothing about Megadeth, would you PLEASE post elsewhere. Opening
lines like 'I haven't really listened to this band' speak for themselves. |
TO
BAD IT WAS REMOVED
Subject: Titanic
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002
From: "Monique
I was very upset to see
it removed but hope to catch it next time. I find Titanic one of the best
romance movies of the century. I need to write a review on a movie and was
hoping to do Titanic. Unfortunately, I couldnt get help from you! |
THE
FOLLOWING QUOTE ... IN THE BEDROOM
Subject: In_The_Bedroom
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002
From: "Garrett, Bart"
"And we are left with
questions about the extent that their grief and anger have damaged not only
their everyday life, but may have even destroyed their own morality and
goodness." I am a bit disturbed at this quote in the review. Grief doesn't
destroy the morality of humanity, but it reveals it, and what it reveals
is not an innate goodness, but a depraved badness. That is the thrust of
the Christian doctrine of humanity. We are totally dead in our sin until
made alive by Christ. As my wife and I watched this story unfold on the
big screen a couple of days ago, we saw what grief can do to people who
aren't grounded in Christ--it disables them, stokes anger, and embitters
the heart making it impossible to forgive. We contrasted this to what Christ
did in us when we grieved over the death of my wife's mother. The movie
did an excellent job of depicting a "griever's" way of life, the deep felt
changes in an effort to strive towards normalcy. We experienced all of the
pain, the sadness, and the turmoil that this couple experienced, yet Christ
protected us from ourselves and brought healing and depth in the midst of
a tragic storm. Grief reveals our stale morality, while Christ uses grief
to transform it.
Bart Garrett
Perimeter Church
mailto:
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LOVE
NEVER DIES
Subject: Dragonfly
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002
From: Lelia
I was truly surprised
at how deep, and how beautiful, "Dragonfly" was. Dr. Joe Darrow starts the
movie fully convinced that death is the end... there is nothing more. In
fact, he tells that to a young woman who has attempted suicide.
Joe Darrow at the beginning
of "Dragonfly" is not exactly a nice man. He has been wounded spiritually
and emotionally by his wife's death, partly (in my opinion) due to his guilt
over not having traveled to Venezuela with her. One fact that seems almost
lost in the plot is that Dr. Emily Darrow was about 7 months pregnant at
the time of her death.
Then, inexplicably, one
of her pediatric oncology patients tells "Emily's Joe" that he has seen
her "in the rainbow," and that she wants to tell Joe something. Joe's world
is utterly shaken. As the movie progresses, we see Joe move from anger,
to fear, to belief and determination to find out what Emily needs to tell
him. By the end of the movie, Joe is made new, gone from hopelessness back
to hope. As a nun (who has interviewed many near-death kids) tells him,
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HARRY
POTTER AND THE BIG PICTURE
Subject: Harry Potter
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002
From: Celeste Keller
Harry Potter and the
Big Picture
An essay by Celeste Keller
[a note: I love Harry
Potter and that is why I am defending the book, I also love the series that
are mentioned in this essay although I am an adult and am discussing the
possibility of young children reading them]
Many schools and churches
have banned, confiscated, and even burned the famous "Harry Potter" books
by British Author J.K. Rowling. These organizations have attacked the series
because it contains witchcraft .
I believe that many of
these groups are striking against this lovely and whimsical series and yet
not looking at the big picture. What I mean by the big picture is the hundreds
of other books in the age groups that have latched onto Harry Potter.
First of all there is
no sexual content in Harry Potter whatsoever. In several series that I know
to be read by children as young as nine some of the characters learn to
deal with menstruation and have 'off screen' sexual encounters. In two series,
magical methods of birth control are discussed and used by the characters.
Homosexuality is also an issue in these series and one series contains a
pair of lesbian characters.
Another issue that has
been brought up about the Harry Potter series is "Fluffy" the three headed
dog borrowed from Greek Mythology who guards Hell. This is nothing compared
to a series where a character is threatened by a 'Taurus' which is a creature
that rapes and kills women.
Again the magic in Harry
Potter pales in comparison to the spells cast in these other books. Spells
where the character cuts himself in order to give the spell more power and
spells that truly do summon terrible creatures.
I also have read several
articles concerning Harry Potter and 'drugs'. These articles reference the
potions in Harry Potter and furthermore delve into scientific detail about
the contents of said potions... what eleven year old is going to go look
up wormwort and asphodel? What is more disturbing (yes even to me) is the
drug use that is rampant in one author's books and short stories. The characters
remorselessly use heroine, cocaine, and marihuana. They are never sorry
after words.
There is almost no swearing
in Harry Potter and the few dirty words in the books are of a relatively
mild nature. In one of the books I just mentioned the "F" word and all of
its variants can be found on nearly every page.
I did not find these
books in the adult science fiction/fantasy section of the library or bookstore.
I found them alongside Newberry honor books and Anne of Green Gables. Furthermore
I agree that they should NOT be there, they should be in a more mature section.
However they are not. In other words... kids could do worse than Harry Potter.
I know children under
fifteen who read romance novels that would make Nora Roberts cringe at the
vulgarity. Harry Potter is an innocent story that promotes friendship and
the overcoming of obstacles such as prejudice and child abuse.
Some Christians have
made reference to the word "Muggle" a term in Harry Potter which essentially
refers to a 'non-magical' person. They claim that it is a slur, a word to
demean lesser individuals and a profanity against Christianity itself. I
don't have any idea where they get that idea. Harry and his friends fight
against prejudiced 'death eaters' who would eradicate muggles. The death
eaters by the way strongly remind me of the religious leaders of the past
(and in some parts of the world, the present) who persecuted the Jews, Huguenots,
etc. Harry and his allies strongly oppose these people and fight for the
rights of non magical peoples.
I am an adult and the
books I have mentioned contain adult themes. I am not ashamed to admit that
I read and enjoyed the series' that I have mentioned. I just want to state
that judging Harry Potter without balancing it with other books geared toward
a young adult audience is biased and ignorant.
I do not wish to give
the names of the books or authors I have referenced, and there are many,
because I do not wish to have them be persecuted by narrow minded people.
And yes. I am a Christian.
Celest
What happened in the
dungeons between you and professor Quirrel is of course a complete secret.
So, naturally, the whole school knows. ~Dumbledore~ |
CHARIOTS
OF FIRE
Subject: chariots of fire
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002
From: Marlowe
Hi, I was looking for
a Christian review of "Chariots of Fire". I checked your contents with no
luck.
Did I miss it? Any good
suggestions as where I can find such a review?
Hope you can help.
God's peace,
Marlowe
Response:
It has not been reviewed. -David
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