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FROST BETTER THAN BLADE
Subject:Commentary on "Blade":
FROST IS TOO COOL TO GET BEAT BY SOME STIFF LIKE BLADE. I WANT A RE-MATCH!
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000
From: Her Majesty Elizabeth I
Frankly, I think that while the movie had a nice, urban, gothic, freaky-cool premise, the people who made it went about it all wrong. Blade, who has all the emotional depth of a black Arnold Swartzenegger, is the one who we as the viewers are expected to rally behind. We're supposed to be happy when Frost, the coolest guy there, dies. (err, bulls--t!). If they do make a sequel, they should bring Frost back from the dead a la the Vampire Lestat, so he can kick Blade's ass even though he should have done that in the first movie.
BTW, since you seem to have so many vampire lovers visiting this site, maybe some of them might be interested in this vampire story that I wrote. It's called "In Which a Deaf Man Heard and a Vampire Saw the Sun" and is at http://homepages.go.com/~hellpost/index.html . It doesn't have any Frost references, but there is the same sort of psychology going on here. Maybe you could include the link next to my commentary, that is, if you choose to list either.
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EXODUS 8:2
Subject: Exodus 8:2 in Magnolia
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000
From: Debby
Thanks, DeNon! I read through the entire review and everyone's comments until I got to yours, looking to see if anyone else had noticed the placard held up by one studio audience member just before he was escorted out of the "What Do Kids Know" set. As we see "John 3:16" on cards held up at sporting events, this one read "Exodus 8:2". I made a mental note to check out the verse after the movie, but it was early on and I forgot. But about ten minutes into the drive home while discussing the flick with my husband, I realized that Exodus 8:2 should be right in the middle of the Egyptian plagues sent by God through Moses. I whipped out my Bible and sure enough! Very subtle foreshadowing!
Debby |
BORING BICENTENNIAL
Subject: Thoughts on the Boringcentennial Man
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000
From: "Jon Zuck" <frimmin@exis.net>
Dave, I've got to say that Bicentennial Man was definitely the most boring film I've seen in quite a long time. (And it took quite a long time to see it, BTW!) Certainly when Asimov wrote the book, the idea of a robot wanting to become human was novel, but not any longer. Star Trek: The Next Generation explored the idea over seven years for us, through Data, and odd as that treatment was, it was better than
Bicentennial Man.
There are several key flaws here: lack of any kind of climax in the plot was perhaps the most obvious. The pacing never varied, and almost all scenes were of equal length and had the same amount of action (or non-action) within. Andrew moves tirelessly from situation to situation over 200 years, but his conflicts only become interesting when he falls in love towards the end. Yet even then, the monotony is relentless.
Another problem was that there was never any insight into what made Andrew different. Short Circuit had Number 5 struck by lightning, symbolically touched by God. ST:TNG showed Data created to be conscious, and thrown into a thoroughly human role. Yet in Bicentennial Man, only a smidgeon of curiosity even comes up about what makes Andrew unique, and Andrew is only concerned (for a hundred years or so!) with verifying whether or not he is unique. It's extremely unsatisfying.
Finally, there's the weakness of its point, which again might be better elucidated by
comparison:
For example, ST:TNG's strange (but interesting) ideas: Data repeatedly identifies emotion as the missing link between himself and humanity. After having tasted emotions once early in the series, in the "Descent" episode he succumbs to accepting an emotion chip from his evil twin, Lore. This leads him to be manipulated into evil. And in the movie Generations, Data later declines the chip that would make him human. The message appears to be that emotions are a little bit too dangerous; better not to have them, (which is reinforced by the general emotional repression throughout the crew of the Enterprise D).
In Short Circuit, awareness was a gift coming from above, and Number 5's humanity had nothing to do with appearances, but with his spirit, shown in his joy, humor, compassion, non-violence, and moral angst at having been created a killing machine. The message: humanity is a gift from God, a spirit with a law written on the heart (and not on one's programming!)
But Bicentennial Man never gives us a clear thought about the effects of Andrew's consciousness. It seems that it's good for him to become human, but only moderately so. A great deal of emphasis is put upon getting human appearance, which really doesn't have much to do with the core issues. However, it does explore
the need for the recognition of one's humanity by the community. Hatred and rejection ultimately dehumanizes us, acceptance into the human family finally makes
us human. A good point, but weakly and joylessly presented.
---Shalom v'Tovah
Jon Zuck
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SECRET RAPTURE DISPUTES
Subject: More "Secret Rapture" disputes. The Omega Code
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000
From: Jon Zuck frimmin@exis.net
Hi, Dave!
I enjoyed browsing the comments on The Omega Code, and thank you for keeping me from wasting my time there. I've got to say I'm really with Violet (see below) on her objection to the wholesale adoption of "dispensational premillennialism" by so much of Anglo-American Christianity. For those who are interested, I've posted a significant amount of information on the subject on my own site at:
http://surf.to/theend .
I don't claim to have all the answers, but I've come to believe that the Bible Codes fallacy is only the tip of the iceberg of errors in prophecy-land. (Forgive the mixed metaphor!) Once again, thanks for your brilliant reviews!
---Shalom v'Tovah
Jon Zuck
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ABOUT PULP FICTION
Subject: Pulp Fiction
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000
From: "frank baik" fbaik@hotmail.com
Pulp Fiction, Botched Testimony?
One of the best movies of a soul really struggling to come to God and do right in my mind was Pulp Fiction. On first viewing it seemed to be a movie about pointless violence, was hard to follow and hardly seemed to make any sense at all, at least until the very end. The you saw how everything tied together and it all made sense.
When I began to think about it I grew more and more convinced. Isn't that often how are lives are? Seeming chaos, but in the end it all works out. Christians call that providence or God's sovereign plan. Despite all the evil in the world that we often cause ourselves, God has a plan to fix our mistakes and sometimes even uses them for the greater good.
Samuel L. Jackson played an assassin, a cold killer with no regard for other's rights or lives. But he has a near-death experience which he perceives as God sparing his life for a purpose. He finally gets the message which he has been preaching for years and he struggles with the implications of this call from God.
At the very end, he has a powerful conversion experience. He decides to give up his life of crime and murder, and redeems a man and woman's life with his own blood money just to set them free. As God had mercy on him, he also had mercy on them.
He walks away from the restaurant a new man on a joyful journey towards God.
The other (John Travolta) who does not repent his sins, receives his just punishment from one of his victims to be (Bruce Willis).
Bruce, rides away on the winds of Grace. (The name of his motorcycle).
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that this is a great movie to watch with your youth group. The movie spends too much time focusing on his life of sin and just the last few minutes on the life in God. It is full of unredemptive violence which I believe is harmful to the soul.
I liken it to a testimony that brags in minute detail about the terrible things that a person did before became a Christian, then mentioning at the very end, "But now that I met Jesus, I know that those things were wrong and don't kill people any more." Still, I think that this film can be a wonderful springboard for witnessing your faith.
It's chaos is an analogy for life that many people will be able to relate to, but it is comforting to know that God will work it out in the end.
Frank Baik
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LAST TEMPTATION IS BEAUTIFUL
Subject: Last Temptation
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000
From: Jeff
i've seen the movie and have read the book. both are beautiful and (i feel) as close to the true account as one can get. christains, please your your shiney clean image of jesus behind you when viewing this movie. to think it blasphemous is to expose your closed minds. last temptation is a story that comes from a man of incredible faith. you should check him out and see how his credits compare to yours.
PS peter gabriel offrers incredible and authentic music. |
MORE BLADE
Subject: more blade !!!
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000
From: donino
I have seen blade 8 times !!! I want blade 2 !!!!! Soundrack is coooool !!!! |
LOOKING FORWARD TO CAIN
Subject:Cain - James Byron Huggins
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000
From: drzchiro
I'm looking forward to this movie. I have read all James Byron Huggins books so far. When I was reading The Reckoning I thought it would make an awsome movie. Also his book Leviathan is great movie material. Just reading his books is like being to a movie though the writing is so vivid. |
ABOUT THE PAST AND EXODUS 8:2
Subject Magnolia
Fri, 28 Jan 2000)
From: Ryan
I found Magnolia to be a thought-provoking, creative film. Because of its complexity, I am still processing what I viewed three weeks after the fact.
The theme seemed to be embedded in a line that a few of the characters recite during the film: "you can run from the past, but it will eventually find you" (or something like that). The person closest to natural death in the movie (the old man Partridge), expounds on this idea during his monologue about regret: "don't let anyone tell you there is no such thing as regret. There is!" He does some serious soul-searching and realizes how hollow and depraved a life he led. During that monologue, we get a shot of each of the characters involved in their own struggles with sin, struggles that will ultimately lead to death (cf. the wages of sin is death; you will reap what you sow). This death is literal for two of the characters and figurative for the others. Regardless of the final outcome, I think the idea of choices and consequences is central to the film.
The "singing scene" (which I thought was a little forced, but a very creative attempt at using the score as a story-telling device) reinforced this idea. I think one of the lyrics was "now I'm paying for what I wanted" (you get the idea). Each one of the characters, according to the song, had a chance to "wise up" and to "give up" the idea that they can work things out themselves: they needed forgiveness, either as the forgiver or the forgiven: they needed someone to engage them on a personal level.
In addition, this emphasis on consequences was continued with the idea that fathers have great power in the lives of their children. In fact, the William Macy character is reciting Scripture while vomiting into the toilet: the Scripture that talks about children inheriting the sins of their fathers (cited in the review on this page). Think about the characters and their relationship with their fathers. Definitely something working there.
Now, the frogs were a bit strange and once again, in my mind, a bit too blatant. That aside, I noticed that the Scripture reference Exodus 8:2 was in the movie at least twice (once in the game show audience and once on a bus stop stand). Given the theme of consequences, I think the frogs represent judgment (judging those with a hardened heart: the two old men die that night) and divine intervention (recall the opening and ending scene that recounts three events that occur not because of "chance" but "something else"). So, in a sense, I think the frogs are supposed to remind us that things happen for a reason -- whether a cop "happens" upon a drug addict at just the right time or Tom Cruise receives the phone call about his father when he is most sensitive to the isse (due to the interview). Does that really work? I don't now -- I was looking for a little more connection at the end of the movie, but I like the fact that everything wasn't simply "peachy" in the end, that there was still reconciliation needed and healing necessary (the last shot is of the drug addicted girl smiling with hope because someone chooses to love her -- the beginning of healing).
So the primary problem put forth in the film is: how do we break the chain of suffering from the past, whether it's drugs, sex, hate, greed, unfaithfulness, or regret? The answer seems to be: admit it and seek forgiveness. For the two heros (the Christian cop and the compassionate nurse), the answer is also seeking to do the right thing (remember the cop says that the hardest part is knowing when to forgive -- he lets the thieiving Macy go at the end) and caring about other people. Both these answers point to reaching out in love and forgiveness.
All that said, I found it challenging, thoughtful, and creative. Despite the imperfections, I felt it had some important things to say and said them with great effectiveness.
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LOVE NOT HATE
Subject touched by an angel
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000
From: Leslie
I never miss a show. I`m 34 yrs old and I love the show we need more spiritualality in todays world that is filled with soo.. much death and hatred.
My response: You are right! |
INFECTION OF LIFE
Subject Green_Mile
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000
From: Darrel
My favorite line in the movie is when the present day Paul is explaining to Elaine about the "curse" he received. She asks: You, mean he infected you with life?" A wonderful understanding of the life we have in Christ, whether that understanding is the eternal life of resurrection or the live we have now.
My favorite visual of the movie was the scene where John Coffey is watching the "flicker show" shortly before he is executed. There is a look of sheer delight on his face which is surrounded by the light of the projection -- a kind of halo.
My response: I liked that scene too. |
HOLLYWOOD JESUS IS CONFUSED OR A FAKE!
Subject Dogma
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000
From: "Faye Elkins"
Do you really claim to be a Christian? How on earth can you endorse these sick movies? Especially Dogma? Jesus was TORTURED and died on a cross and movies like this make fun of God and Christ. You must make a good deal of money for your website and you are either a very confused Christian or you are a really big Fake.
No, you certainly don't have to answer to me only to God and that is enough for me. It just makes me sad to see someone defend Satan's work and he is hard at work in Hollywood. Would Jesus enjoy these movies as much as you do? Somehow I don't think so. However I am not your judge but I am very concerned since you claim to be a Christian.
My response: It is obvious that you have not seen the film. And you certainly have judged me. May God grant you peace and give you a profound love for other people. |
FAITH AND HOPE FLOAT
Subject: hope floats
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Wed, 26 Jan 2000
From: M&M
I REALLY ENJOYED HOPE FLOATS. I THINK IT REALLY TELLS YOU THAT WITH "HOPE" AND "FAITH" YOU CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THE UNIMAGINABLE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE!
I BOUGHT THE MOVIE AND WATCH IT WHEN I AM FEELING DOWN. I REALLY LOOK UP TO "BIRDIE" FOR HANGING IN THERE. I THINK IT IS A VERY INSPIRING MOVIE.
M&M |
MOMENTOUS
Subject: The Last Temptation of Christ
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000
From: Uriah
I've just completed my first screening of the film. Its emotional power is momentous. The important service that it renders is the conveyance of an impression of THE SON OF MAN in terms of the every day human nature and psychology that most of us know from direct experience. The film's premise, as I understand it, is that, at bottom, JESUS AS HUMAN BEING is very much like the rest of us. One of the signal features of this premise is that, on the earthly level, there is no script. Jesus has to live every moment of his life as a unique experience wherein his actions are whatever he choses them to be. This is a fundamental change from previous cinematic portrayals wherein Jesus is a semi-ethereal presence who placidly recites received wisdom as if reading from a script. The impact of a spontaneous, sometimes uncertain Jesus is to deepen the mystery and to deepen the miracle. The gossamer veil that distinguishes THE SON OF MAN from (WO)MAN is perhaps thinner than what we wish for. Faced with the same spontaneous experience of life that faces us all, Jesus was asked to make choices that are even more stupendously difficult that what is commonly understood. Being faced with an urge to claim to be the world's savior with a human brain no less suceptible to self-doubt and a fear of madness than yours or mine must have entailed staggering emotional challenges.
The portrait of Satan has a subtlty that is profound and disturbing. I'm inclinded to generalize and say that the root of all evil is deception. Curiously, the fragility of this Jesus has the effect of deeping the mysteries that surround him. Even Satan's deceptions have a startling, awesome awfulness. Perhaps I've been watching too much Star Trek, but when the demon-as-angel appears at the crucifixtion and coaxes Jesus down and into a peaceful life as a man who marries, fathers children and grows old, I feel that this is much more than an hallucination in the mind of Jesus on the cross. I feel that the entire sequence actually occurs as an alternate reality. In the eleventh hour of this alternate reality, Jesus is awakened by his diciples. By making earnest, direct appeal to the heavenly Father, Jesus is transported back to the first reality upon the cross where he finally fulfills our destiny.
Uriah |
DEFINITELY THOUGHT PROVOKING
Subject: Eden
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000
From: Kristin
I picked the movie out of the video store w/ no knowledge of what it was about. The video store manager told me it was some foreign film and asked if I wanted to exchange it for something else, but I decided to watch it any way. I loved it. I don't know if I believe in astroprojection though, but it would be amazing if it could. I read a book that was similar in consept to the movie, called "The Celestine Prophecy" and the sequel "The Tenth Insight" both by James Redfield. Anyone who liked the movie should read those books also, they are very interesting. Thanx for your time,
Kristin
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CRIED ALL THREE TIMES
Subject: End_of_an_Affair
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000
From: Alice
I saw this movie three times and each time I cried. I felt the love she had for her lover and the same time the greater love she had for God. It's funny how we battle with our feelings that we have for certain people that we shouldn't have, because we know it's wrong in God's word. It is hard, I know. I will continue to pray.
Alice |
KEEPS THINKING ABOUT THIS POWERFUL FILM
Subject: Magnolia. Earth-shakingly incredible
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:11:03 -0500
From: Nick Kleszczewski
This has got to be one of the most detailed, lovingly constructed, profoundly spiritual films in a long, long, while. For once, the length and the epic-but-intimate-storytelling _works_. I haven't been able to think about much else since I caught it, then-reluctantly, two weeks ago. However, have you thought about the three stories that were told in the beginning? There's a meaning here, and it hasn't hit me yet. That's the mark of greatness--any film that gets one to actually probe its depths and make deep interpretations. It's wonderfully deep and epic, but it goes down easy.
Nick Kleszczewski
Fairfield, CT |
SATIRICAL IN THE BEST WAYS
Subject: Dogma. What a disappointment...
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000
From: Kirk
I went searching on the web to find a site bashing "Dogma" but instead I find this, a thoughtful critique and examination by someone with a well educated christian point of view.
I saw "Dogma" largely BECAUSE of all the radical extremist protests. I wanted to see the film so I could make up my own mind about it. Clearly, many of the protesters had made up their minds before seeing the film, if they saw it at all.
"Dogma," I thought, is silly, playful, and foul mouthed (more so than I'd like. Ah well.) It is also thought provoking and satirical in the best of ways. More power to it.
And more power to you, Hollywood Jesus. You've done your religious brothers a great service here. |
HOORY FOR PATCH ADAMS
Subject:Patch Adams comments
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000
From: Nena
I just watched Patch Adams on Primestar and I cried with joy, laughter and wishing we had more Patch's in our world of MEDICINE!!! No one ever seems happy in medicine and are so gloomy. If I want to get sicker or die, I would go to the hospital. When my sons who are in their twenties tell me this is a great film, I know it truly is. Hooray for Patch and Gesundheit!! thanks for the film,
-Nena |
LIKES HOLLYWOOD JESUS -PROFOUND.
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000
From: shayne
i first thought your site was profound; combining the abstracts of Hollywood with the power of Jesus Christ. Yet, it sends with the review, powerful messages to all who read it. This is good. I no longer protest your site. May God be with you all. |
MORE HIDDEN STUFF IN TOY STORY 2
Subject: Toy_Story_2 A few more "secret" jokes and tributes.
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000
From: ANDREW PRYDE FOX
After reading through those you offered initially, here's a few more for you:
1. Buzz runs after the Toy Collector after he has taken Woody, however he fails to catch them. As Buzz watches them drive off, a feather (presumably from Al's Chicken suit) floats down to the ground ala the floating feather from Forrest Gump.
2. As the toys contemplate crossing the road to the Toy Barn, Slinky says, "I might not be a smart dog, but I know what road kill is." Again a Forrest Gump reference, "I may not be a smart man but I know what love is."
3. Note that Emperor Zurgg's blaster goes up to "11" - perhaps a reference to the legendary "This is Spinal Tap" scene where the boys from the band rave about the volume of their amplifiers.
ANDREW FOX
Youth Minister - Toowoomba West Uniting Church
49 Wallace St., Toowoomba, 4350.
Email foxy@icr.com.au
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AN APOLOGY TO THE JEWS
Subject: Green_Mile Jewish alegory
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000
From: Keith
First of all I would really like to apoligize to all whom I offened. I in no way was I degrading Jews, because I know they are God's chosen people. I hate no one and I strive every day to show Christ's love to one another. And as I thought about it yes, it might of seemed more of an alegory of the Roman soldier who cruicified Jesus or maybe even Pilate, but I don't know. But I do have some concerns in your response. Yes, I came accross wrong. I know, no person could kill Jesus, He gave of His life as His Father directed because of our sin. So all of us are resonsible for Jesus' death. But what I meant by a curse is truley evident in the Bible and in no way can someone not deny the blindness that has been put on the the eyes of the Jews by God, as a whole. And notice I said as a whole. There are many Jesus believing Jews, am I not right? And I truley believe that before Christ comes back there will be many more.(The Remnant, Romans 11:5) But as I dig into the word there was a blindness put on the Jews because they did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, and by them not believing they accused Him of blasphemy and because they could not condemn a man to death with out the approval of the Roman Government, Jesus was taken to Pontius Pilate. After all the the trials, Romans saw no fault in Him. But the Jews (wicked leaders of the day) pushed the punishment. And then in Jerusalem the crowd mostly made up of Jews began yelling crucify Him, crucify Him. Well then Pilate washed his hands of it and said "I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it" (Matthew 27:24) And then the crowd of Jews said, "Then answered all the poeple, and said, His blood be on us and on our children."(Matt. 27:25) OK. Did them saying this keep the disciples still following Christ, No. When the disciples began spreading the message of Christ did this stop the Jewish people from excepting Christ. No, not at this point. And I don't think it ever did "COMPLETELY", BUT!! There is a big continue to this. As you read the book of Acts the only book in the Bible written by a Gentile which is Luke, you see where I am getting at. After so long of the message be spread the Jews where cut off. And the message of Christ went to the Gentiles. ROMANS 11:1-11
My response: Next time just conclude with the apology. I liked that. But, then you went on in a tone that still sounds anti-Jew. You are stuck in a difficult position. My heart goes out to you. I thank you for making an attempt at a more gracious position. However, you still need to do some more soul searching. Romans 11:1-11 was a good selection on your part. It speaks of God's love for the Jewish people. The context is the inclusion of the Gentiles as the people of God as well. Always remember, that scriptures teach us that "God is no respecter of persons." Red, yellow, black or white, all are precious in God's sight! |
MOST FAVORITE MOVIE
Subject: Truman Show Favorite
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:08:11 EST
From: Liz
This is one of my favorite movies EVER. I could watch the last scene a million times... where he reaches the wall. Wait... I think I have! -Liz |
LITTLE IS BIG ENTERTAINMENT
Subject: Stewart Little
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000
From: Wayne Crooker stanwayne@mediaone.net
Organization: Stan Wayne Enterprises
Just a wonderful - fun movie to see. How they do the animation is amazing. Not only "Stewart , but the Cats as well. It's one of those movies you come away from completely entertained.
Bravo...
-- Best Regards,
Stan Wayne.
At: stanwayne@aol.com or stanwayne@mediaone.net |
IS STEPHEN KING CHRISTIAN?
Subject: Green_Mile A FANTASTIC MOVIE
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000
From: AKB
I went to see this movie last weekend with some friends from church. I can truthfully say this is the best movie I have ever seen. The most amazing thing to me is when the credits rolled I was not aware that Stephen King wrote this. Has he become a Christian? Yes there was bad language, but it was a film about prison, and yes there was some really gruesome scenes, but it was a film about the electric chair. I have been pondering this movie in my mind all week and I keep thinking how awesome God is that he can use Hollywood and all that goes with it to get the message of Jesus across to the general public. JC was not Jesus but a form of Christ. He made these people look at life a little different. The lady that was healed in the end was another example of loving each other. I think this movie should be seen by teenagers and all unbelieving adults. They can't walk out of the movie the same as when they walked in. I hope it wins every award it is nominated for.
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LOOKING FORWARD TO CAIN
Subject: Cain
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000
From: Roger
Sounds like another Bruce Willis Hit I loved 'The sixth sence" so I will most likely enjoy this one as well.
Roger
http://community.webtv.net/RDW155/ETERNITYWHEREWILL |
HOW CAN YOU WATCH THOSE MOVIES?
Subject: Some questions for you.
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:21:24 -0500
From: Joseph
Mr. Bruce,
First, what are your views of God and how he and His Son are involved in our lives?
Second, I think your web site is very interesting and I appreciate the insight into the movies that you have given. However, I want to ask you some questions. First, of all, from my perspective as a follower of Christ, I would like to know how you can actually watch these movies and then mull them over and pull all these great insights. I can't imagine myself being able to watch all these things. There is just too much junk out there. I would be overwhelmed by the sin and garbage. It would majorly hinder my walk with God. What are your convictions in this area and how do you believe God helps you do this?
Thank you.
In Christ, Phil
Heb. 12: 1-3
My response: I love Jesus and I love film. Film for me is dialogue with the world -I love it -I love every person I meet -I love every conversation I have -I love talking with those who think differently than I -I love the whole process of human interaction that film opens up. Your faith seems weak and uncertain somehow. My question to you is: How can you be in the world and not be overcome by sin and garbage, as you put it. Do you stay in doors? Do you only listen to Christian television? Do you avoid conversations with non-Christians? Do you avoid secular radio, movies, drama, speeches, newspapers, communication, etc. You get my point. Watching a movie, for me, is an interactive opportunity with the world. Powerful. Jesus said, "Go ye into all the world ..and I go with you!" |
A MOVING FILM
Subject: Magnolia A moving film
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000
From: Daniel
Jonah, this film is far from being simple-minded. It is one of the most wrenching soul-searching films out there today. A great job by a young and talented filmmaker. Bring us more of this type of fare. The spirit and typecast of the policeman was particularly welcomed. He had a sensitive heart and was well depicted in the story. I loved the film and feel like it once again illustrated so well, that a life out of touch with him/herself a nd God is a desperate way to exist. .. Daniel |
DON'T MISS CIDER HOUSE RULES
Subject: Cider House Rules
Date:Fri, 21 Jan 2000
From: Shane Fuller
I wondered if you have seen the movie "Cider House Rules". I am sure you have heard of it and you will probably put something about it on your website soon. I just wanted to make sure that you did not miss it. It speaks much of our society's desires to make their own rules and seeing God as totally transcendent and not imminent even into the tiny details of life. One phrase really describes the point of the whole movie - "SOmetimes you have to break the rules to set things straight." There is also a very poignant scene where they trash the rules of where they live because someone outside their lives made the rules and they want to make up their own rules. This movie shows how all of us forget that what we sow, we will reap. Just thought I would share this with you. Thanks again for your continuing efforts to help us think through the issues of our society - Shane Fuller |
THE SECRET RAPTURE?
Subject: The_Omega_Code Secret Rapture????
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000
From: S V
Don't give my email please. Ok, I'm not typing this letter right now to review the movie, but i'm here to question something that disturbed me while I was reading your visitor comments for this movie(good job by the way, you don't viciously judge movies like some other sites I go to). what is this woman (SECRET RAPTURE CAN DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM TRUTH by violet) talking about?? The Bible (King James Version) clearly states in Thessalonians 4:16 (15-18 state more) "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first". That perfectly states the rapture, in the Bible, proof that the supposed made-up secret rapture is not false. Also, Thessalonians 4:17 clearly states, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall be ever with the Lord". By the way, I'm just wondering, Bruce, ever heard of salvation, if so, are you saved? If not, what are your thoughts on salvation? God Bless and Keep the Faith.
My response. Yes I do love Jesus. Thanks for asking. It's not the rapture that is in question. It is whether or not it is secret. Will every eye see it, or not. |
PAUL EDGCOMB IS APOSTLE PAUL TYPE
Subject: Green_Mile Paul's life journey
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:38:30 -0600
From: John Myers Christian Leadership Ministries
Perhaps the character of Paul Edgcomb is meant to represent the person of Paul the Apostle, and other believers like him.
Paul the Apostle was "forced" to see Christ and essentially what Christ saw--his conversion was almost not a choice. Also, he was taken up "into the third heaven" at one time and told not to speak of the things he saw there. I'm sure Paul more than longed to go "home" after that experience. He even wrote that he would rather be with Christ in heaven (especially after having seen Christ and what heaven is like, I'm sure--imagine what this earth would look like after that experience), but that for the church's sake he would remain on earth--but only because it was God's will. He had to endure extreme hardship because of God's plan for his life--beatings, imprisonment, ridicule, watching others die, etc. Jesus Christ Himself was a "Man of sorrows" and we as His children are to "share in His sufferings." Sure there is joy to be had here, but it is joy in knowing God, joy in knowing His ultimate plan. This earth is condemned, and all we see around us is a world Satan has constructed over the centuries (see The Matrix).
I came away from the movie in tears and could not stop crying all the way home. I have two small children, so the scene of Paul Edgcomb's revelation of the murder was especially poignant to me. I was suddenly made aware that it is altogether likely that right now, somewhere even in just this country alone, a child is being raped and brutally murdered. I don't want to think about that, although I know it is true.
It is too painful for me to think about. And if I don't think about it, I can fool myself into believing that this world isn't so bad after all--out of sight, out of mind. But Christ sees it; He is intimately involved in it. He knows the child, he knows the murderer, he knows every awful detail of what is happening, and He feels it all.
Do I really want to know the mind of Christ?
Am I prepared to be His follower? After all, if I am a believer, then Christ really did, as the movie states, "infect" me with His life--His essence. I'm not so sure our life here is to be all fun and games.
In light of this, I think Paul Edgcomb's last 15 minutes were a very accurate and appropriate portrayal.
John Myers
jmyers@clm.org
My response: Thanks John. You are very insightful. Amazing. |
RIPLEY WASTE OF TIME
Subject: Talented_Mr_Ripley Which way to the bathroom?
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:42:56 -0500
From: Skymystic
What a total waste of a movie. For one thing, it made no sense whatsoever. The setting was very beautiful but could not in any way make up for the terrible plot of the movie. The reviews are very misleading. They make the movie out to be an exciting thriller. The whole movie was very disturbing. Matt Damon just went around either mocking people or killing them. There was no excitement in the movie. The most exciting thing that happened is the credits starting rolling!! I also have no idea why Hollywood feels it is necessary to add subtle homosexual hints to a movie. Maybe some people don't want to have to watch that in a movie. Now you're probably thinking, "Then don't go to the movie. No one is forcing you to watch the movie." Trust me. If I would have know the disgust that awaited me in the movie, I would have gladly stayed home. Hollywood just keeps going downhill and I can only say "Stop the bus I want to get off."
-Skymystic |
TRYING TO REACH GARY
Subject: Trying to contact Gary Busey
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000
From: Tom
I'm trying to contact Gary Busey to invite him to join a Christian email group. I
think we would profit by his presence, and I know Gary would profit from the
prayers and fellowship we have to offer.
If you have some way of putting me in touch, I would appreciate it.
Thanks David
Tom
My response: We get more letters for Gary Busey than for any other star. I wish I could help you, but I can not. |
DORE SLIDES
Subject: Slideshows
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000
From: Shari
I loved your 'Gustave Dore' and 'Faces of Jesus' slide shows.
My church is wanting to do some kind of multimedia presentation on Jesus' life, death, and resurrection during the Easter season. Are these slide presentations available on slides or files that could be downloaded in slide format for that purpose?
Do you know of any other similar slide shows that already exist out there?
I'd appreciate any information you have on this.
Thanks
Shari Lynn
My response: Feel free to use the Dore slides. |
SIMON BIRCH BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES
Subject: Simon Birch
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000
From: haprince
I absolutely loved this movie. I have never cried about a movie the way that I did for Simon Birch. I am now Ian Michael Smith's biggest fan. He is so adorable in this movie, all I wanted to do was pick him up and just give him a hug. I rented this movie on a five day rental, I must've watched it atleast twice a day and I laughed and cried each and every time I watched it. I give this move ten thumbs up and a box of tissues, because you're gonna need it. |
Pastor says JOHN COFFY IS A CHRIST FIGURE
Subject: Green_Mile
ONE OF THE BEST PORTRAYALS OF CHRIST ON FILM
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000
From: Jay Hilbinger
Great Website! Thanks for being so thorough! I don't understand why some people think there is a difference between John Coffy as a "Christ figure" and John Coffy as "a pure or holy or good" person "that is striving to be faithful" to God or Jesus? Jesus himself said, basically, "Be like me." That is the goal of every Christian, though at the same time we know we will never do it perfectly (without sin and error). Most of my favorite movies of all time are ones that contain a Christ-like or "Messianic" figure like John Coffy -- such as Robin Williams' character in DEAD POET'S SOCIETY, Simba in THE LION KING, the two priests in THE MISSION, and more recently the iron giant in THE IRON GIANT. In my opinion, trying to distinguish differences between a "Christ(-like) figure" and a "good, moral, just person-of values trying to be faithful to God" is nothing but "splitting hairs."
Yes, Green Mile is now in my Top 5 of all time. As a pastor and a Christian, I have been recommending it like crazy to everyone I know. Thanks again for the excellent and open-minded work you have done on this movie, and on so many others. You are a terrific resource for my ministry!
Jay Hilbinger
First Lutheran Church
Greensboro, NC
My response: As one pastor to another, YES! I agree with you. |
RADIO GUY IS MORE CALVINISTIC THAN CALVIN
Subject: my radio show.
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000
From: Bud
Based on some of the content of your site, I think you perhaps need to, and would find my program of interest (details below from my signature file). I teach Christian Evidences, but I was also involved in ShowBiz for many years. I am on the IMDB (Bud Fleisher), although the information there is only partial. Overall, I think that anyone "really" engaged in that business knows it is one of Christianities main adveraries. That is one (the main) reason why I left it. -- Bud (1 Peter 3:15) Listen in to "let's Talk Religion" every Friday afternoon from 3-4pm 1340am radio in Clearwater, Florida. Audio Website and 800 # at http://www.tantalk1340.com Mailing address: "Let's Talk Religion" P.O. Box 8364, Clearwater, Florida 33758-8364 Bible study website at http://home1.gte.net/efleish1/index.html
My response: I read your web site stuff.You really out Calvin Calvin. You are a super-hyper predestinationist. I simply can NOT go with your ideas of God selecting the majority of precious humans for eternal torment of the worst kind. For me most of your proof passages have to do with the gentiles being predestined to share in the covenant with Abraham. Not the selecting or predestination of certain individuals over others. Also, you should have stayed in show biz. Salt and light you know! |
DOGMA BRINGS RENEWAL
Subject: Dogma
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000
From: JRB
I'd added Hollywood Jesus to my favorites a few months ago and never really stayed online long enough to check any of my favorites until recently. I am a Christian but really had lots of questions re: God and faith especially since I've really felt a "push" if you will to study religion on the graduate level.
I not only saw Dogma, I went back and took one of my Catholic friends who very much like Bethany felt that God didn't always listen or even care and like Bethany went to church every Sunday but pretty much out of habit and to pass time. I have to admit that sometime I'd be in the same boat and struggling with it.
I left the film not raging against the writer/story but feeling a sense of renewal. Overlook the non-virtuous aspects of Bethany, Jay, Silent Bob, the profane Rufus and the stripping Serendipity and you have the very kind of people that God looks to use. People that fall and backslide, maybe drink and maybe curse among other things are the ones that the Kingdom seeks. If we were all perfect and righteous, we wouldn't be here - the only one to walk the earth without sin, to my knowledge was Jesus. Isn't there a parable about the shepherd and the lost sheep and in a nutshell there is much rejoicing over "finding" the lost sheep over the 99 that were already "saved?" (you can feel free to correct my interpretation). Kevin Smith's films attract a young market and perhaps if Dogma can at least get some of those folks to think about their own faith and relationship with God and the questions that may prevent them from believing, then hey, it did a job that maybe some of the "righteous finger-pointers" may not have been able to do. Sometimes, presentation is everything. It may not be perfect in everyone's eyes but those who need it see it. Thanks for reading and again, feel free to correct or criticize as needed. Be Blessed!
My response: Thank you, I agree with you. |
ANOTHER ANTI-POKEMON PERSON
Subject: Pokemon Pocket Monster
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000
From:Michael Arra
Sir,
I respectfully submit this scripture " There is a way that seems right to a man, But the end thereof are the ways of DEATH!!! Prov. 14:12
Love, in His Service,
Michael Arra
My response:
And this has to do with...?
What?
I fail to see the connection.
The context of Proverbs 14:12 is evil doers and the upright.
Are you saying:
People who play Pokemon are "the house of the wicked" (v.11)?
Kids who play Pokemon are "sad" (v.13) and "perverse" (v.14)?
Sorry, it does not connect for me.
It would connect to Hitler, terrorist, rapists, and murders.
But to kids playing Pokemon? No, sorry.
Mark 7:15 is a better fit, for me.
Thanks for taking the time to write.
May God bless you.
Warmly, David Bruce |
MORE IN MATRIX
Subject: Matrix
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000
From: MF Blume
I noticed so many New Testament Biblical parallels in the movie I was amazed.
"Zion" was the last hold-out for humanity in the movie just as Mount Zion is typical of the Church according to Hebrews 12:22-23, and was originally the mountain that King David conquered and set up His Palace in Israel in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ is called the SON OF DAVID in the New Testament.
On the nameplate inside the wall of the ship, The Nebuchadnezzar (A biblical character, king of Babylon, in the Book of Daniel), are the words MARK III No. 11. This corresponds to the scripture Mark 3:11 where we read:
Mark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Neo, of course, being indicative of Christ, and the agents who could morph into and take over any of the citizens in the Matrix at any given time, representing demon spirits. The AGENTS were fearful of Neo.
And when TANK and left for dead by Judas' counterpart, Cypher, Tank says, "Believe it or not, you're still gonna burn." This statement has often been used by Christians when replying to those non-Christians who confess they do not believe in Hell, indicating that disbelief in hell's existence will not prevent the "lost one" from going there and suffering.
The entire world is deluded in the Matrix, and are living in what is not actual. This is counterpart to the Biblical view that man is born in sin and in bondage to Satan's influences, and oblivious, for the most part, to all of that bondage. Also the physical is not the ultimate realm. The physical was only created by God who is a Spirit. And the unseen invisible spirit realm all around us is unknown by the most of the world still bound in sin, while the believers have been "born again," freed from the "Matrix," and know the reality of the situation.
M . B L U M E
My response: Thank you for these observations. |
END OF DAYS AND DOGMA DANGEROUS
Subject: Hollywood Jesus Newsletter #5
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000
From: George
David, you wrote:
"An adult film with with Arnold giving his all for the sake of Christ"
I'm aware that the underlying message of this movie is that fighting a spiritual battle with physical force is pointless and quite impossible, but I believe you've carried it too far with this statement. This is not a Christian film and Arnold is not a preacher or missionary fighting Satan with the armor of Christ.
Dogma likewise is a dangerous film that does more damage to Christianity than it does good. As a Christian you should be concerned about the negative and quite irreverent portrayal of the heavenly realms in this film.
I like your efforts to bring meaningful dialog about films into the Christian community, David, but I'm concerned that you are giving too much credit to Hollywood. We have to hold Hollywood accountable for their mistreatment of family and Christian values, not enthusiastically thank them when they throw us a small chicken bone with no meat left. See my editorial about Shakespeare in Love at <http://www.pytlik.com/martini/impotence.html>.
There have been a few genuinely positive portrayals of spirituality in the entertainment world, but they are very rare. The Matrix comes to mind, along with a wonderful storyline in the television show "Pensacola, Wings of Gold" in which a Marine fighter pilot meets a captivating Christian girl who makes him question what's really important in life. In the next episode he is saved from certain death from a miraculous spiritual intervention and leaves the military to explore the spiritual dimension of life. The fact that this show worked so well is proof that it can be done. I just wish Hollywood got the message and did it properly just once in a while.
-George
My response:
Neither Dogma or End of Days are dangerous movies, in my opinion.
I spent most of my life (35 years) preaching against Hollywood.
I gave seminars against Hollywood.
I boycotted, wrote letters.
Always throwing rocks at the darkness.
In fact, I looked for the darkness, always.
But, I have changed. Turned around.
Philip 4:8 and Acts 17:16-34 got hold of me.
I have 20 years left of my life and I am determined to look for the light.
I just can not throw more rocks at the darkness anymore.
I would rather look for the light in the darkness
and call attention to it.
Light always dispels the darkness.
I am no longer morality-centered,
I am Christ-centered.
The battle is spiritual not carnal.
An 18 year old young woman came up to me the other day and said,
"Pastor David, I can no longer see a movie without thinking about Jesus
or some Bible story."
I thought, WOW! I have done my job.
Thank you for your concerns
I appreciate you for caring enough to write.
You must be a very special person.
Thanks wonderful person
May God bless you always.
Warmly, David Bruce |
WHERE IS THREE SEASONS?
Subject: Three Seasons
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000
From: Andrew
Dear David,
My name is Andrew and I just submitted a small discussion of the movie "Three Seasons". I forgot to include my name, so if you could somehow take care of that I would appreciate it. By the way, I was wondering why there is nothing about this film on your web page. As I said in my message, this is easily one of the most profoundly spiritual movies I have ever seen. I would love to read your insights on this film.
Sincerely,
Andrew
My response: I can not even stay current with the recent movies. I am on overload and a huge back log. |
LIKES THREE SEASONS
Subject: Three Seasons
Date: My_blank_Films
Mon, 17 Jan 2000
From: Known User
This film about Vietnam coming of age contains one of the most profound expositions of the love of God I have ever seen on film. The movie contains four vignettes, but the one about the hooker and the cyclo driver is so biblical, I was shocked. Many people have interpreted this story to be about a man's obsession with a hooker, but it is far more than that. The man never sleeps with her; he just delights in her and loves her even though he knows exactly what she is. At one point, he urges her to take off her makeup, so she can see herself without her "mask". She, typical of all human beings, spurns his unconditional love at first. Finally, his love is overwhelming, and it, like God's love for us, transforms her into a pure, radiant woman. This film spoke to me of God's unconditional, transforming love. It did so in a way no other movie has ever done, with the possible exception of Ben-Hur or other movies about Jesus. Whatever you do, check this film out. |
NICHOLSON IN THE CROSSING
Subject: Hi
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000
From: Paul
Dear David
I love your home page. Have you seen The Crossing Guard with Jack Nicholson? We saw it on TV the other night and it's a powerful portrayal of grace in a postmodern culture. The ending is astounding and quite unepected. The Christian symbolism is unmistakeable.
Yours in Him
Paul Arnott.
PS
I especially like your refreshingly open approach to films that some Christians write of as evil or corrupt. Thank you for all the work you put in to provide us with these insights.
My response: Thanks for the gracious words |
ECKHART IN JACOB'S LADDER
Subject: Jacobs Ladder. The reference to Meister Eckhart
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:34:02 -0800
From: Carol
The chiropractor, played by Danny Aiello, asks the Tim Robbins character if he has ever read Meister Eckhart, who believed (and I have to paraphrase) that what we perceive as demons may be angels in disguise helping us let go of this life. I've read some of Eckhart's sermons and I even contacted an Eckhart scholar; we'd both like to know the general and/or specific source in Eckhart for this idea. Thoughts and information appreciated.
-Carol in Cleveland
My response: Boy, you got me. |
SATAN IN A SUIT?
Subject: JesusMiniSeries
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000
From: Hans-Juergen Carter hansjuergen.carter@cwcom.net
I saw Jesus The Mini Series on Germany's Channel 1 (ARD) on satellite TV (I live in the UK) on Christmas Day (12/25/99) and Boxing Day (12/26/99). I thought it was great, however, I am not sure why Satan was dressed in a 1990's suit and why various sequences of WWII were added, not to mention at the end of the program when "Jesus" left the house to ascend to heaven and turned into a 20th Century young man in some Italian (or possibly Israeli) small seaside town. Any interpretations please?
Me being bilingual (English and German) I had no problem understanding the German synchronised version of the series, although I am looking forward to seeing it BSkyB, which will probably not be for another six months or so. Germany's Channel 1 always seems to show the Bible series before UK television.
On the whole I love watching the Bible series and identify more with the Old Testament, rather than the new one.
Regards
Hans-Juergen Carter
hansjuergen.carter@cwcom.net |
FANTASIA IS WONDERFUL
Subject: Fantasia 2000
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000
From: Gillian
Saw this at the London IMAX. What a treat - and Donald Duck in Noah's Ark?
Wonderful!
Keep up the good work, this is a great site.
My response: Yes, I liked it too.
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KEEP OTHERS OUT?
Subject: AMERICAN HISTORY-X
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000
From: parteeboy
THAT SHOW WAS THE BEST IN YOUR FACE MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN!! THATS THE EXACT TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING HE HAD SAID.LETS TAKE A SECOND TO LOOK AROUND AND FACE THAT THESE FORINERS, THAT DONT EVEN BELONG HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE COME OVER HERE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR LUXUIRES. SO ASK YOUR SELF WHY YOUR MAKING EXCUSES?.?.? UNLES YOU LIKE LIVING IN THE CLOSET.THE MOVIE WAS TOP-FLITE. I JUST CANT WAIT UNTL THE NEXT ONE!!!THINK ABOUT IT?¿ TIME IS ALMOST UP!!!!!BE HEARD!!!!
My reponse: I don't understand your view. American History X was about all people coming together. You seem to be saying no to "foriners." |
HURRICANE IS JUSTICE CENTERED
Subject: Hurricane
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000
From: Bruce
I have heard that there is a new movie out that is based on the true story of a boxer who was found guilty of murder but later proven innocent. Could you please do a review of Hurricane. I have heard that it is supposed to be God centered.
My reponse: A review will appear shortly. |
THE PRAYER THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE FILM
Subject: Green Mile
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000
From: Shelley
Dear Mr. Bruce,
I, too, enjoyed The Green Mile movie and think that it is a wonderful witnessing tool. However, I am sad to see that no one has mentioned the book at all. I read the book on the recommendation of another Christian, and I feel that some of the questions brought up about the movie (the last 15 minutes or John's "punishment" of Percy) would be easily explained by the written story. I was also disappointed to see that the prayer of John Coffey was left out of the movie, which to me, symbolizes his humanity, and that although God used him for good, he still felt a human need for justice and did take it upon himself to administer that justice. To me, that shows how we all want vengeance against those who are so cruel and evil in this world. I didn't really see John as a "Christ figure" although it is an obvious analogy, but more as a pure soul, willing to be used by God and still be totally human. More of a vision of what we should strive to be. His child-like innocence is what Jesus said he wanted from us in Matthew 10:14-15,
The prayer that John prayed in the book was "Baby Jesus, meek and mild, pray for me, and orphan child. Be my strength, be my friend, be with me until the end. Amen." That implied to me that although John is a human being, with faults and conflicting emotions, he tries to rely on Jesus as his leader.
I also feel that the last 15 minutes of the movie were a poor representation of Paul Edgecomb's real feelings about John. If you haven't read the book, stop reading or else this will be a plot spoiler.
Paul's wife dies in a bad bus accident and in the process of watching his wife die, Paul wonders where John Coffey is, and why can't he be there to save Jan's life after all the wonderful things John did for everyone else. That is also a great parallel to the Christian life. We sometimes wonder why God is letting us suffer so, when we don't have the knowledge of His divine providence. To me, Paul didn't feel so cursed at the end of the book, but more a sense of wonder and questioning what John was really all about. I have to admit, that Stephen King doesn't really leave you with a sense of God's true love for His people, although he shows it well up until John dies in the book.
All in all, it was a great movie, but I highly recommend reading the book for more insights into plot and characters.
My response:Thank you for the additional insight. I appreciate that. |
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