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with comments by David Bruce

LOVED THE MOVIE
Subject: The Score
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001
From: Betty

Loved the movie, but agree with another viewer, it was good, but not great. Robert DeNiro was good, and appropriately complex, but it was Edward Norton who brought tension to the film. Pushing, pushing, being aggressive and yet agreeable, just in the nick of time -- or so you think. Brando's character brought a certain amount of pathos, which showed the vulnerability of crime -- and of betting on the "big" one to dig you out from your troubles, that I liked. It helped underscore the moral "risk" DeNiro's character was really taking. The ending, which was immediately justifying and gratifying, on reflection, only underscored the common perception that well-disciplined risk is rewarded. This sentiment kind of goes against the adage - crime doesn't pay.

COMMENT
Subject: reviews
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001
From: Dana H.

David, My daughter enjoys surfing your web site and occasionally prints stuff for me to read. I appreciate your heart for God and especially your "who so ever will" approach. I think that pleases the heart of the Father.

However, in general I feel that your web site does not do any different than the local newspaper. You tell what the movie is about. It really would be great if you would do more critical analysis of the movies that you review. One thing that I want my kids to do is learn to think and make decisions from well thought out reasonings. I feel that you could make more of an impact if you were leading the way with that type of approach.

Thanks for bearing with this rambling mom. "Who so ever will"
Dana H.

COMMENT FROM A SKINNY GUY TRYIN' TO GET TO HEAVEN
Subject: R_Rated_Newsletter#26
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001
From: Bill

Dear David, Hello! I read and was amazed and challenged by your statistics and comments, respectively, on Thomas Kincaid, and of your unfortunate church experience regarding the discussion about R-rated movies.

You probably already know this, but for what it's worth, there are many of us out here who share your conviction that though we are not to be "of" the world, we are to be "in" it, and to be able to engage the culture lovingly AND intelligently (read: informed). As you probably also know, the late Francis Shaeffer was passionate about this, as is his filmmaker son Frank, commentator Chuck Colson, and the late Keith's Green's wife Melody, who is married to a really sharp guy, who, along with Melody, devoted an issue of their newsletter a few years ago to Christians in the arts, and their struggles to be in but not of, and of dealing with the types of things you mentioned. (So I'd say that puts you in good company.) Two of my friends in particular give me no end of passionate, thought-provoking monologues about the very things you expressed (and do), that, thankfully, continue to knock me out of that unseen current that tends to gently creep up and carry me "out" of the world, isolated. I thank God for them, and I've sent them the Hollywood Jesus URL.

Anyway, I hope this encourages you to continue to be and do what God has created you for; your purpose in this generation (Ps. 71:18). As a writer, I struggle daily with being in but not of, especially when it comes to pop culture. And I've concluded that, like so may other things, I'm not very good at it; I tend to jump back and forth between extremes. So once again, there are those out here like me who are grateful for those like you who have a gift for doing it well, and are willing to take the time (and endure the heat) to share your insights with your weaker brothers.
Blessings, BILL
*(Amended from the late John Wimber's self description, "Just a fat man tryin' to get to Heaven.")

A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR PROSTITUTES
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001
From: Chris English

I was just referred to your website through a newsgroup I am part of whose membership consists of graduates from which was Larry Crabb's/Dan Allender's graduate counseling program. If you're not already familiar with these two guys, and what is now Allender's' Mars Hills graduate program and journal-- http://www.marshillforum.org/ --you, and those who agree with the gospel you are preaching, need to be as they espouse the same gospel of embracing culture for Christ as yourself. I do ask a question for you and your readers that I continue to wrestle with (and I'm not looking so much for final answers as much as fellow-wrestlers) : While I embrace as well the gospel of non-condemnation (pagans will be pagans), and of redeeming culture to connect with it for the gospel's sake (e.g. the Matrix and Pitch Black are examples of movies that powerfully portray the gospel), I also think it is important that we don't tip the scales so far the other way in over-reaction to "fundamentalism" that we leave out the painful and horrifying truth of eternal judgment (both for believers and nonbelievers). While I stand with you in calling for more churches that welcome sinners (Tony Campolla speaks of wanting to go to a church that "throws birthday parties for prostitutes"), how do we also continue to call them to something better? How do we say "Send me your addicts, your prostitutes, your atheists, your violent criminals, your sexually immoral, yet also present them a gospel that is not watered down in a way that just comforts them in their sin? How do we foster conviction inspired by the Holy Spirit (that leads to a new lifestyle of walking in the Spirit) without the condemnation inspired by man (that is as fleshly and sinful as the sin it condemns)? Sinners (and that includes those in Christ and those not-yet Christians), still need to come into contact with the Holy Spirit in a manner that leads to ongoing godly sorrow, repentance, forgiveness, and a life of increasing Christlikeness. Christ indeed died for sin and sinners, but not just for forgiveness. He also rose again that we too "might walk in the newness of life." Thanks for providing a place that embraces thoughtful Christianity!
Chris English

Response: You seem to suggest that being godly is separation from the world. So, yes you have a conflict. For me, being outside the walls is a very Christ like thing to do. That is being godly to me. -David

COMMENT ON THOMAS KINKADE
Subject: Comments on Thomas Kinkade Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001
From: Rich

I believe this is your problem not Thomas Kinkades. I have met many people whose lives have been touched in a wonderful way by his art that brings God's glory to many homes in America. God did not create the violence in our culture but told us to look at His creation that brings glory to Him.
In Christ, Rich

Response: Isolation brings glory to God?

HIDDEN THINGS
Subject: hidden things in blair witch 2
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001
From: ashley

i have found alot of hidden things in the blair witch 2 here is what i have found so far... on the van door in the camoflouge there is a black hand thing reaching upwards, in the hospital were kim is sitting, there is a flying witch faintly on the door near the bottom. there is a face on erika's door when stephen goes to summon her. face in the door at jeff's house in the long corridor where all his " stolen stuff is." "me " near erika in woods. 3 ghostly figures in the background of kim in woods when she is talking.. they look like heather, josh, and mike from the first one ( you can make out heathers hat and hair.. then 2 boys standing next to her) 3 bodies scattered in the woods on the way to jeffs house. stick figure in background of the fridge when erika goes to see about coffee. "g" in window ."no in window" handy man's tools are arranged in stick mans postion (when kim goes to gets beer) tools outside of store have blood on them. "S" on van after kim wrecks. two manaquin heads are in the t.v. storage at one point in tristen's rm now 3 look like heather, josh, and mike. 3 heads in erika's t.v. storage too. stick figure on window. blood on brick wall when tristen is freaking out. face in smoke at campsite. cross at cemetary disappears. sheriffs face is a skull in the mirror. stick person in the water in tristens dream. that is all i have fund so far.. but i am still looking for alot more..
thanks ashley

FEELIN UNEASY
Subject: Newsletter_26
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001
From: "Wilson Wong"

Do you ever get a feeling that whenever a person that does not outwardly match the view of a 'Christian', comes to you and visit your church and sit right next to you, you have this feeling of 'uneasiness'?

As much as I want to be as open as Jesus would, it is kind of hard to fight this feeling.

Reading through your column of non-effective Christians who are too self righteous, I really want to transform myself through Christ out of that mindset and try as much to embrace everyone who is willing to listen to Christ.

After Tuesdays tragedy (so sad that some people are willing to listen to false prophets like Osama and do not use their wisdom to discern), I believe it is more imperative for us all to start harvesting for the Lord. Hopefully, your website will be one of the loudspeakers for the true Lord.

In His Grace, Mercy and Love
Wilson Kriston Wong

COLLEGE AND FILM SCHOOLS
Subject: College question
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001
From: David

Mr. Bruce, I would like to ask you a question: Do you know of any Christian colleges that teach good film courses? I'm trying to find one where I can get my B.A. at. Also, do you have any comments on Bob Jones University's cinema program, or the college in general? Thank you for your time.
Sincerely, David

Response: I wish I knew. Sorry. I think Christian schools just don't cut it. I suggest going to USC or UCLA -David

JEWISH BORN AGNOSTIC LIKES HJ
Subject: Site feedback
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001
From: Jessica

Hello, As a Jewish-born agnostic, I find your site surprisingly interesting, thoughtful and not judgemental in the way some Christian websites are towards pop culture. You don't discard a film just for having some sex or violence in it, and your observations and reviews are considered and really bring out some interesting points in the films. It's a really refreshing take on spirituality and pop culture, and shows you can combine them without having to be excessively moralistic or critical.

My only criticism is that it seems a shame that the site only deals with Christianity and pop culture. Whereas a lot of the observations you make (for example Jurassic Park 3 having a message about family break-ups) really apply to most religions and non-religious beliefs as well. Have you considered expanding the remit of the site to include other beliefs as well?

If any of your loved ones have been involved in the recent tragedies in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, may I apologise for bothering you at this difficult time and offer my deepest sympathy.
Best wishes, Jessica

NOSTRADAMUS HOAX
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001
From: Tony

There's a whole lot of people who are just freaking out regarding this Nostradamus Hoax. ... this is the guy who predicted that the world would end on July 9th, 1999? Anyway, here's the URL if you want to show people why it's just a hoax. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm
Tony

EXCUSE ME?
Subject: Josie_and_the_Pussycats
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001
From: Matt

I just have a short message. There was no money exchange for all of the logo's in the film, it was a very bad joke the dirctors added. It was to show how corparate america putts it logo's every where and over uses them way too much. -Matt

Response: Trademarks can not be used without permission. Companies have a vested interest in their image. This is a money issue. -David

I'd like to address the "GD" reference in the last tune on Creed's album- it is indeed a problem, if these guys are are alluding at all to be Christian "in background", or even "leaning in that direction". Sounds like a weak justification, in defense of it's being on the site at all, actually. Biblically, you are either on the train or off, hot or cold, but never lukewarm. The Lord say's He does'nt want us halfway- we are either for Him or against Him (NIV). I see the positive outlook reference in the album, and I certainly realize the lyrics come across as uplifting, but where do we draw the line, and call a spade a spade? The guys are'nt espousing their Christian beliefs, and we as listeners, reviewers, etc, are going off track by handing the benefit of the doubt to them so easily. How can you sing of God's influence in a person's life, (crown of thorns), heaven (?), etc., and finish it up with taking the name of the Lord in vain? Blasphemy come to mind, here? It's one thing to want to get into the world, move among the unsaved, and tell them of God's grace, forgiveness, and willingness to forgive us our sins- it's another to compromise the lines Christ drew, blurring the demarcations of the righteous and the unrighteous. There is a black and white delineation in effect- you're either for Him, or you're against Him. The hope of all Christians would be to see all of the world glorifying Him, and singing prise to our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ- it's our responsibility as Christians to use our own God-given gifts and talents to try and achieve this end; tell the world of the Lord and spread His Gospel, in a loving, kind, and righteous way. The problem seems to be the allowance of the culture at large to influence Christians into believing it's OK to partake of the world's delights - not what God has given us, but what we as humans have produced for our own consumption-, and leave what we don't think is right, behind. This is really not a decision for us to be making, as we are not able to righteously make this decision on our own, without the help of the Holy Spirit. Not to say we need to seek the Holy Spirit each time we walk into Tower Records, or Blockbuster Video, but to seek the Holy Spirit to guide us in ALL our decisions, to convict us in our unrighteous (non Christ-like) attitudes, and to seek the Lord's will, not our own. If we are left to make the decisions, we lose. If we seek The Lord's Will over ours, we are in the right with Him, doing as He wants us to do, and being who He wants us to be. It's impossible to straddle the line and expect to be in favor with God. Iniquity and righteousness are polar opposites. The Lord wants us to be happy, content and satisfied; hence, all the wonderful things He has given us. Compromising His Will, and forsaking it in desire for the world's attractions, will surely be the beginning of a downfall for any believing Christian. The Amplified Bible refers to "Uncompromisingly Righteous" many times. There is not to be a compromise when it comes to doing the Lord's Will- we can't have it both ways. Some of the world, and some of the Lord- giving satan a foothold is not a place any one of us can stand to be for very long. Be careful as to what you let in to the Lord's temple- your body; He created you, made you who you are, and also gave us free will; the tremendous responsiblity of making our own decisions, for right or wrong. That is freedom, and it can be turned into a curse, if abused. Seek the Lord's Will - ask for guidance, and ask the Holy Spirit to show you where iniquity lies in your heart. Feeding it music, film, etc., that taints, deceives, and lures you away from Jesus is panting bad seeds. Weds from these seeds will overtake the field, and spoil the harvest. Be careful what you allow in. Remember, satan can "appear as an angel of light", and knows every single word of the Bible, quite well. If he can try to tempt Christ, what sort of chance do you think you might have? Jesus did not have a vacation there- he was human, like the rest of us, for a time. Pain and suffering was the order for the day, for 40 days- we just plop our dough on the counter, and walk out with the stuff. Be careful, and seek the Lord's guidance. Thanks, if you read this far, and God Bless You.
marc

Response: marc So what does reviewing a secular album have to do with being lukewarm. So what if Creed says "g-d" -what of it? HJ is a Christian site that reviews secular stuff. Strange though... Why are you even on the internet? Why are you even aware of Creed? Your email itself is a review of Creed. Oh my gosh you listened to a secular group! And reviewed it. Like oh my gosh. Your email is a self reflect of you! I hope God is less judgemental of you, than you are of others. You email is certainly g-ding of us -isn't it. You hypocrite. You can g-d us But Creed can not say the actual words You can review Creed But we can't. Hmm. All I can say to you is: May God bless you May God give you peace May God love you beyond measure. Acts 17:16-34
Warmly yours, David Bruce

Marc's response:

So what does reviewing a secular album have to do with being lukewarm.
Mr. Bruce, this is not a personal attack. It's an observation, with my views expressed as a caring, fellow Christian.
David's Response: Nice words, but you were being judgemental.

So what if Creed says "g-d" -what of it?
Not to be judgemental here, but isn't this profanity, in most Christian circles? I was under the impression that Christ has set a standard for ALL of us to follow, clearly laid out in the Bible (correct me here, if I'm wrong).
David's Response: Creed is a secular group. So, your words do not apply. Also, where does Jesus address the issue of "profanity'?

HJ is a Christian site that reviews secular stuff.
True, as far as I can see-

Strange though... Why are you even on the internet?
Communication- Like many other Christians. Education. Sharing of information. I'd like to pose to you the same question. I'm sincerely interested in your answer.
David's Response: Communication.

Why are you even aware of Creed?
I do shop for music, like most folks. I really don't live in a hole in the ground. I listen to the radio. I read newspapers. I work in the entertainment industry. Walking down the street I, like everyone else with eyes and ears on the planet, am bombarded by advertising, courtesy of the music industry.
David's Response: You are saying that you know about Creed through unintentional means? I do not buy your explanation.

Your email itself is a review of Creed
Actually, I think your take on my commentary may be just a bit broad to be accurate, and lends itself to be more than a little defensive. I don't recall having reviewed the album, if I'm to see your reviews as as an example.
David's Response: You did review it, giving it a thumbs down for the use of G-D.

Oh my gosh you listened to a secular group!
Sure! the problem is not with listening to "secular" groups. The issue I posed is with mixing messages/ blurring the lines of the Word with the words of non-christian attitudes, as a message in itself. I'm a big fan of U2- not a "Cristian" group per se, but three of the four guys are professed Christians. Is this unusual for a Christian?
David's Response: You know so much about the secular world you dismiss. Very curious.

And reviewed it. Like oh my gosh.
Again, I think it might behoove you to read the letter again. I would'nt use the term reviewed so loosly, myself. Again, I take the stand I am not a reviewer- you are. I responded to a review on your site. I don't see much of what might be discerned as a review in my letter (using your reviews as a standard, here).
David's Response: Again, you did review it, giving it a thumbs down for the use of G-D.

Your email is a self reflect of you!
Could you be a bit more detailed here? I'm not sure I understand what exactly you might be alluding to. I would certainly appreciate some clarification of your statement, if you don't mind.
David's Response: It seems you are involved with the very thing you condemn. And then you are quick to point at those that do the same as you.

I hope God is less judgemental of you Than you are of others.
Geez, I am sorry you feel this is being judgemental- certainly not my intention, as I do feel I am not in the position to be judging anyone. I do feel, as a Christiaan Brother, that I am in the position to say what I see as a discrepancy, in the hope of opening a postive dialogue concerning the isssue at hand.
David's Response: What issue? That secular groups use language? We all agree that this is true. So what dialogue do we need to have?

You email is certainly a g-ding of us -isn't it.
Actually, I don't see it as an attack, tho you seem to feel it is. I apologize for your taking this in such a way, but I do think your response here is a bit reactionary. I have no desire to "damn" anyone. Only to open a dialogue. Again, if you were to read the bottom of my letter, I do wish God's Blessings on any one who care to read the letter.
David's Response: Nice closing on your letter. But, it was a finger pointing letter.

You hypocrite.
I don't agree, tho I would appreciate your clarifying this point of view for me, if you would.
David's Response: You are involved with the very thing you condemn. And then you are quick to point at those who are as involved as you.

You can g-d us But Creed can not say the actual words
I don't recall "damning" anyone in the Lord's name in my letter. If you would, could you point this out? I am certainly open to correction, if I'm wrong.
David's Response: You are finger pointing.

You can review Creed But we can't. Hmm
You can do whatever it is you would like to! It's God's gift, this freedom to make our own decisions, and I did mention that in the letter as well. I personally don't feel I did anything resembling a "review" of Creed's album- I'm only responding to a post I had read on your site. Where it had been been reviewed.
David's Response: Again, you are involved with the very thing you condemn. And then you are quick to point at those who are as involved as you.

It is an amazing example of self righteousness.
Could you explain your view here? I don't feel I am being self-righteous, rather sharing what is common knowledge, biblically. Again, I would appreciate your comments, if I am incorrect here.
David's Response: As above.

KINKADE IN LIGHT OF 9-11-01
Subject: Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001
From: Jeff

Dear Bruce--
I've felt very strongly about your Kinkade newsletter for over a month now, and I feel that I must, now, finally respond. When my wife first mentioned that you had highlighted his (Kinkade's) art in your newsletter, I thought it was going to be an issue of personal taste, which has an impact on the way all art is viewed.

Personally, his stuff has never interested me, because it never challenged me and the beauty of them was tied to much that was too insipid. The bigger issue of course is what sort of lifestyle does it idealize/idolize. In the light of the terrorist attack on NYC (40 miles from here) I believe that his pictures now would be completely incongruent to virtually any city resident. Perhaps only to draw attention to the loss of a loved one.

This being said though, I would like independent confirmation of all the numbers you quoted from the book "The Way We Never Were--". Because with the authors agenda there is a strong challenge to not just use the figures that seem to bolster her point. (You need to read the book. Check out the foot notes. She is very good and careful. -David) There is reason for me to believe that the numbers are indeed right though. For this I recommend an excellent video series by the late Francis Schaefer, "How Then Should We Live..?". Sin has always been with us, consider the very first family... The paradigm shift is in our American society of casual acceptance of sin/immorality. This may not always bear out in numbers of increased crime etc. but it does deaden a national soul (sin is areproache to a nation...).

Yes, we can, lift the family to the point of idolatry, that is always a danger with the smaller 't' truths of the bible, nevertheless the family is the basic means by which God has laid out with which we build villages, churches, and nations. It would be a stretch for me to accept stats that don't clearly agree with this truth (see socialism, Khemar Rouge etc.) , and if, the Way, the Truth and the Life is in control the program works...

So as far as I am concerned you are right on the $, with the exception of the above mentioned caveats. But about Betty Paige... that'll have to come later.
With our prayers & agape In Jesus strong Name
Jeff

YOU SHOULD REVIEW KUBRICK FILMS
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001
From: James

Hi, I like your sight. You should review the late great Stanely Kubrick's films. He made excellent films. You should also check out the Russian classic "Andrea Rublev" and the French classic "Diary of a Country Priest."

Response: Yes, you are right. -David

WORLD TRADE CENTER
Subject: Recent events
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001
From: Don

It seems totally surreal what has been happening lately. The comment I and so many of my friends and colleagues have made repeatedly was that the mass destruction we witnessed on the television looked like a movie. Our minds wanted to believe that it was Hollywood special effects, but our hearts told us it was all too real.

The tragedy of such a monumental loss is hard to comprehend, yet we stay glued to the media and try to catch a glimpse of hope. The aftermath of such a disaster is something for which we were just not prepared.

People all over are amazed at how the American public have responded with so much love and care, demonstrating unity where there was once sharp division over this issue or that. It seems that such a blatant display of the sinful human nature writ large has had the effect of shaking us all out of our slumber.

I pray that God may use this situation to make us all more cognizant of the total depravity of human nature and of how Christ is our only means of overcoming that. Our culture is hungering for answers, especially now.

It will be very revealing to see how we all look at the movies for a while. I think our perspective will be very different.
God's peace, Don

WORLD TRADE CENTER
Subject: World Trade Center
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001
From: David

Hi David, I don't know what to do with this, but I thought if anyone could help me put this imagery into perspective, it would be you. After Tuesday, I remembered the scene from "Godspell" where Jesus and the disciples were dancing on the roof of the nearly completed World Trade Center. I put the tape in and sure enough, about 50 minutes into the musical, there they are. And they're singing, "It's all for the best". The juxtaposition of gospel, musical, and current reality make me heartsick.
Yours in Christ, David

ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS
Subject: Magnolia
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001
From: Penny

I love this movie. It is a story about relationships.
Penny

AGREE
Subject: Newsletter_27-Kinkade
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001
From: Penny

I have to agree.
Penny

SOME THOUGHTS
Subject: The_Others
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001
From: AL

I ENJOYED BETTY HAMM'S THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS OF "THE OTHERS". I DID TAKE ISSUE WITH SOME OF HER INSIGHTS, BUT OVERALL I GAVE THE MOVIE A GRADE OF "B".

I ENJOY HORROR MOVIES FOR MANY OF THE REASONS CITED IN THE REVIEW. MOST HORROR MOVIES TURN INTO GORE-FESTS VERY QUICKLY AND HAVE LITTLE DEPTH BESIDES SHOCK VALUE. "THE SIXTH SENSE" WAS A RECENT EXAMPLE THAT WAS NOT GORY, BUT INTELLIGENT AND THOUGHTFUL. COMPARING RECENT MOVIES WITH "THE SIXTH SENSE" IS LIKE COMPARING A VAN GOGH PAINTING WITH A FIRST GRADER'S CRAYON DRAWING.

I ALSO ENJOY SEEING OTHER PEOPLE'S VISION OF THE SPIRITUAL DIMENSIONS. THE BIBLE HAS SOME GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL WORLD: IN II KINGS 6 ELISHA PRAYS FOR HIS SERVANTS TO SEE THE FIERY HORSES AND CHARIOTS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE VALLEY AND ARE READY TO BATTLE THE KING OF ARAM. IN DANIEL 10, AN ANGEL APPEARS TO DANIEL BEFORE HIS APOCALYPTIC VISIONS AND TELLS HIM THE KINGS OF PERSIA HAD OCCUPIED HIM FOR 21 DAYS AND NEEDED ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES TO COME BAIL HIM OUT. WOW! HOLLYWOOD CAN'T EVEN TOUCH STORIES LIKE THESE! WHAT ARE THESE FIERY HORSES AND CHARIOTS? HOW DO THE PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS ENGAGE AND OCCUPY THESE SPIRITUAL BEINGS? HOW DOES THE SPIRIT WORLD OPERATE? IF YOU ARE PRESENT WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH AND CHRIST IS PRESENT WITH THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE, DOES THE SPIRIT WORLD OPERATE ON A LEVEL THAT THOSE OF US WHO ARE ALIVE ARE COGNIZANT OF?

I DID AGREE WITH BETTY HAMM'S ANALYSIS OF THE ENDING OF THE MOVIE. NO HOPE, NO JOY AND A FUTURE STUCK ON A BRITISH ISLAND FOR ETERNITY. IT WAS A STINKER. I WAS NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH CATHOLIC THEOLOGY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE ENDING. WERE THEY IN SOME KIND OF HALF-WAY HOUSE TO HEAVEN OR HELL? OR SOME OTHER POINT WHERE THEY COULD WORK THEIR WAY TO HEAVEN?

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