MIXED EMOTIONS
Subject:End of Days
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999
From:s.hardzog

I have mixed emotions about the film. Namely, because I am a huge Gabriel Bryne fan and he was portraying the ole "Prince of Stinch". Other than that it was well done. Very raunchy but what do you expect of satan? That's how I looked at it. I also found it interesting that satan's followers were done in by satan himself. Dance with the devil you're gonna get burned. The film is not your "church group" type movie but, strong enough for the hard core action buffs. I would recommend it but, I would certainly caution them.

I love it when God wins!!!
s.hardzog

THEOLOGICALLY RIDICULOUS
Sucject: End of Days
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999
From: Violet

I don't quite agree with the people who say that End of Days is a great apocalyptic action movie. To illustrate this point, let me remind you of the tongueless priest named Thomas Aquinas. Recall the scene in which Cane walks into a church and demands of a group of priests, "Do you know Thomas Aquinas?" (I roared with laughter.) Thomas Aquinas, reknowned 13th-century Dominican scholar and Doctor of the Church? Yes, I think a bunch of Catholic priests are gonna have some inkling who that is.
I actually enjoyed End of Days. Not because it was a good film, but because the theology was ridiculous, the script was hilarious, and I don't care what anybody else thinks, the sidekick was funny. There were some interesting points in there, but since the filmmakers almost certainly didn't know what they were doing from a theological standpoint, they might well be coincidence. Not to ignore these points, but End of Days is easily the greatest bad movie of the year.
My question is, when are we going to see some flicks which accurately reflect faith and belief in God in everyday life? Why does it take the threat of the end of the world to make filmmakers refer to God, are we really that shallow? And why doesn't anybody make a movie about the real message of the Bible, instead of waving around all this window dressing?
Also, when is a nun going to save the world?
Sincerely,
Violet

I was miserable through the entire film. I considered it truly awful, but my 8 and 4 year olds sons enjoyed it a lot. Perhaps if I had looked a little harder, I would have seen the spritual side of it, and not been so miserable. Thank you for giving me a new insight in to this "film" and an opening to some wonderfull conversations with my sons.

My response: Well, What can I say? I saw the film as a statement about the human condition -only! I did not see it as an anti-Christian story. You certainly have given this some thought. Thank you for your contribution. I hope others will respond.

My responses: Wow! Thank you for that!

BELIEVES DOGMA IS ANTI-CHURCH
Subject: Wasn't funny, inept storytelling, muddled message
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999
From: Nick

First off, as a comedy, the movie falls terribly flat. Nearly every joke in the film fell like a terrible THUD! and I had to sit there and endure it. Note to filmmakers: you don't win points by the overly mugged faces of Linda Fiorentino, Alan Rickman, and Chris Rock. If they trusted the material, they wouldn't have to resort to terrible overacting.

As a social commentary, the film is entirely muddled. On the one hand, it mocks efforts to present Christianity in a more relational context (hence, the exaggerated "Buddy Jesus" in denying the cross). That point is good, but it runs counter to the filmmakers clearly pro-choice viewpoints, along with other wishy-washy doctrines ("it doesn't matter what faith you have as long as you have faith"). In other words, Kevin Smith is saying that you gotta incorporate the hard stuff to swallow, but not if it's stuff you disagree with! Shallow-shallow-shallow.

And even this contradicts the comment "You guys don't celebrate your faith, you mourn it!" Who is Salma Hayek's character speaking to? Lapsed Catholics? The protesters? The Hierarchy? And how can she get away with such a comment, if the "Buddy Jesus" model is openly mocked?!

The film also makes a big "much ado" about the Catholic loophole, but upon closer scrutiny, there is no loophole. Fallen angels have already been judged. They cannot receive a plenary indulgence (which, for Catholics, is nothing more but God's atoning grace). One person complained that it attacked the non-Biblical Catholic practices, but forgot that Bartleby and Loki both quoted the Scriptures in understanding the Church's position. So the movie is anti-Church, and is consequently, anti-Bible.

Lastly, I am terribly disappointed in Hollywood Jesus' response to the film's protesters. These are brothers and sisters in Christ, who care deeply for moral content, and yes, many of the protesters HAVE SEEN the film, or read the screenplay, which is as good as seeing it. (Disagree? complain to your English teachers that you can't study Shakespeare until you see it performed in class each and every time!).

I understand that you want to give _Dogma_ a fair hearing, but in doing so, you have been guilty of the same sins that the protesters have been doing... unfair stereotyping of the opponents.

Nick.

My response: I try not stereotype anyone or any group.

CHRISTIAN LIKED DOGMA
Subject: Dogma Shmogma. Dogma
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999
From: Yageman

It amazing the amount of spewage that has come out about this movie. I haven't seen this movie, but from what I've read so far, I plan to. I LOVE Christ, and that is something that is unshakeable. When I came to Christ I expected to hated by the world for loving him. Anyone who is a Christian and expects otherwise needs to realize that our world IS flawed, from each individual to ALL churches, governments, & institutions. There is only one thing I know that I can rely on in this world and that is God's love for me (& us).

For those Christians who are shocked by this movie, get real, being saved doesn't make you any more correct in your judgement. Judgement is reserved for one person only! Remeber that in all things! You are sinful creatures just like the rest of humanity.

People who walk out of this movie because the Holy Spirit compeled them to should have asked the Holy Spirit PRIOR to the movie if you should have even gone! You would have saved yourself some cash and had a better day.

For those who hold so dearly to there beliefs too tightly, you need to let go. When religion becomes a form of identity, it becomes another shackle of the self. And our Lord warned us about holding onto the self too much.

In Christ's Holy and matchless name,
Have a great day,
Yageman
(please withhold address, feel free to reply personally)

DOGMA IS JUST FINE
Subject: Dogma is just fine
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999
From: ROBERT

I don't like Kevin Smith's movies. Despite they're ever-increasing budgets, they still lean toward the sophomoric. And his latest does not forsake its predecessors in attention to Cromagnon details.

But this one I dug. And I feel compelled, though he might not care to have a little Southern Baptist boy rushing to his side of the dodge ball court, to defend him. Thus I shall:

Any argument for or against Dogma ought to start with an understanding of one simple fact: the movie makes fun of organized religion, but does not make fun of faith. (Some have said that Smith makes a mockery of faith, but closer inspection - as opposed to knee-jerk reactions - shows his work to be a testament to the strength of his faith.) Once this observation is made the foundation, then I think we can all join hands in agreement with the man when he speaks against the bloated, self-serving thing that "the church" has become over the course of two thousand years. (I'm speaking, mind you, in a general Martin Luther kind of way, and not in a specific youth-pastor-who-led-me-to-Christ kind of way.) I feel like anyone who misses this important distinction is likely to miss the point of the movie, which is that God uses people who are broken and in need of fixin' to do his work for him.

Someone asked me if I'd be bothered by the movie if Smith had been raised a Southern Baptist instead of Catholic. And I had to say No. The only difference would have been fewer priest jokes and more pot luck dinner jokes.

ROBERT
blirm@yahoo.com

In 1988, Martin Scorsese's controversial film - "The Last Temptation of Christ", was released on video. Ken was the cofounder and current Vice-President of the St. Louis chapter of the VSDA (Video Software Dealers Association), and also the only video store owner in St. Louis to carry "Last Temptation". When the Tipton's refused to remove "Last Temptation", the National Federation of Decency (NFD) put pressure on the Prosecuting Attorney to file charges for promoting obscenity... While waiting for trial, the NFD declared war with pickets and boycotts of the Video Library stores. They harassed employees, vandalized stores, and called in bomb scares. Death threats against the couple's children were used on March 22, 1988, when the caller demanded the removal of films he found obscene, or he would see that the couple's children would be "... sent back to God to be reborn unto Christian parents."

CHRISTIAN FILMMAKER'S TAKE ON END OF DAYS
Subject: Filmmaker with some thoughts... End Of Days
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999
From: Jeremy

I guess I shouldn't say filmmaker quite yet. ASPIRING filmmaker.
I just saw End of Days. And being a believer in Christ and an aspiring Christian filmmaker I saw a lot of things that made me laugh. The initial idea connecting the Revelation with the year 2000, or any end-of-the-year celebration caused a smirk in itself. But, all in all, this movie did what many Christian films are not doing. It got the message to the people. There were a lot of things I definitely did not like. I would not have dropped the F-bomb so many times for one thing (what good is a film with a Christ-based message when kids won't be able to see it?). And for another, a lot of the nudity and sex could have been implied. I hold the human body up as one of the most beautiful forms in existence, but when used for purposes of lust or "turning the audience on" it cheapens and/or confuses the message. ANYWAY...
The main idea of the film was this, as I interpreted it. Here's a guy, Jericho who has denied God ever since his family was slaughtered. Surely a relatable idea to many. And throughout the film, even as he defends Christine and actually is doing the work of God he still does not accept his call. he still denies God. And God uses him still. And at the end of the film when he prepares to face Satan in the cathedral he finally sees the truth, that he has to have complete faith in God giving him strength, thus the dropping of the gun. And as we see, he finally has to fall on the sword to keep his weak flesh from being ill-used by Satan. Jericho succeeds, and as he dies he sees a vision of his wife and child waiting for him. This is the point at which the tears came for me. This is the point.
Regardless of all the crap Jericho had done, his drinking, depression, denial of God altogether, when the time came for him to make a choice and choose Christ or Evil, he made the right one. And this is the point about Jesus. There is no atonement. There is no amount of things or works that can be done to make up for our lives full of sin. The gift of salvation is right there, and can be accepted at the beginning of a life...or at the end of one, as in this case.
This film had its flaws, and was required to instate a certain amount of swearing and sex to not make it stick out too much from the rest of the films currently being made. BUT as I said I feel this film took the message of salvaiton, Christ's message, to those who would otherwise never hear it. Whether or not that is what the filmmakers had intended, well...Arnold didn't realize that he was doing God's work either.

LOVED END OF DAYS
Subject: End of days
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999
From: The Diva

I loved it.

My response: Wow! That felt like you just slapped me in the face. In answer to your dilemma: This is a secular film. It did not come out of some theological seminary. It was not written by a Bible scholar. It is a Catholic, Kevin Smith, who is not a theology expert, expressing what he feels and think on the big screen. That's all. If differing and interesting points of view are offensive to you, check out China, Viet Nam, or Cuba. If you enjoyed the film, be honest, say so. Going to this film, or any other film, does not make you a lukewarm Christian. If you feel that not speaking out on foul language makes me a lukewarm Christian, then to you I am. We have two very different ideas of what a Christian should be about. You are saying that if I take the Bible as true, then this movie should bother me as it does you? Then, in your view, I must not take the Bible as true. Perhaps the following scriptures can help you understand where I am coming from: Philip 4:18, John 8:3-11, Acts 17:16-34, Titus 1:15 and John 3:17. Be at peace. God loves you.

My response: I am glad you said "some Catholics." Other Catholics find some value in Dogma and are not offended. Most, I think, don't really care one way or the other.

My response: Hi Chazz. You are good at quoting scripture about the Bible and it's value. But, some how your comments don't connect real well with the film. Perhaps you could explain why you think it is "full of half truths" and "blasphemous."

My response: Why is it that fads always seem to get the evil tag? Pokemon is like transformers, David Cassidy, pongs, pet rocks, and hula hoops, etc. They will pass harmlessly into nostalgia. BTW, what harm have you seen first hand? The Pokemon movie is a bore, no harm here. Real evil is all around us: racism, greed, violence, rape. We need not be looking at Pokemon.

David, latest scoop! The first Brimstone cyberchat will take place 12/2/99 at 10:15pm Et (7:15 Pacific Time) at Scifi.com chat section. Cyrus Voris and Ethan Reiff the creators of the series will be chatting with the fans. Please post on the HJ site. WOW 5 millions hits, how are you keeping up?

SciFi Channel is promoting Brimstone to death. 4 promos in one hour. Lets see that is maybe 3 more then Fox in the whole time Brimstone was on. LOL There is a Brimstone Marathon beginning 12/3, 12/10 and 12/17 (please note this on the HJ site if you have time) There will be 4 episodes per night for these three nights. I was contacted by a SciFi net person and they are setting up cyberchats with the creators of the series Cyrus Voris and Ethan Reiff and Peter Horton, John Glover and Lori Petty is all schedules can be arranged. WOW!!

MAIN HIGHLIGHTS OF "LAST TEMPTATION"
Subject: The Last Temptation of Christ.
November 23, 1999.
Last Temptation of Christ is a walk into the side of Jesus many would not dar to face, the human side. The review is exactly on target. So much cinema is filled with a "divine" Jesus and prayerful, confused disciples, this film is full of questions, confusion, and the garce of facing some hard questions. Some of the special effects overdo the point (I understand the theology of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, I'm not sure it needed to be that graphic). The three main highlights of the film for me are:
1) Pilate's questioning of Jesus, played very subtly by David Bowie, this is the no-nonsense Pilate that is probably closer to the historical one than a Pilate who doesn't really want to kill Jesus.
2)The last Temptation itself, with its dreamy overtones, remind us that the gift of Christ was so much for us---the reviewer is absoultely right--
3)the Final words of the film----but I don't want to spoil it for anyone---- See the film. I believe that if we can approach this work as I approached the novel in college, as part of the Mission and Message of Jesus course, that to share the dark and the light of who Jesus can be for us calls us to him in even more depth, that is the goal of communicating the gospel.

WALKS OUT ON DOGMA, PASSES JUDGEMENT ON HOLLYWOOD JESUS
Subject: Dogma comment
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999
From: Joyce Chasteen

I walked out of Dogma. Call me intolerant if you want. These trash talking people, with their sexual talk, the stripper etc. would never represent God nor do they even know Him. This is very disrespectful, and those whom found "spirituality" in it, I am ashamed of you that you do not love or respect God enough to let Him be blasphemed in such a way. Does the cross mean anything to anyone here? Obviously not. There is no darkness in light, and the Bible is clear that God cannot be mocked, it is clear in scriptures that mockery consisted of walking in the darkness and using the name of Jesus. Psalm50:16-22> "What right have you to recite my laws or carry my covenant on your lips? You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you. When you see a thief, you join with him;you throw in your lot w/adulterers.You use your mouth for evil and harness your tongue to deceit.You speak continually against your brohter and slander you own mother's son.These things you have done and I kept silent;you thought I was altogether like you.But I will rebuke you and accuse you to your face.Consider this,you who forget God, or I will tear you to pieces, with none to rescue." There, that's what God thinks about you rejoicing over Him being represented as a woman, evil words spoken out of those whom are suppose to be representing Him (in this film). Mary Magdeline and the rest were repentant born again believers, they were not walking in their filth. I don't care what little "faith" message was presented, my Father being disrespected upsets me more than anything this terrible film could say. Father, your judgements are righteous and true, there are many religious whom think they know you, but they do not....they rejoice in the fruitless deeds of darkness, and rebuke those whom love you to take side to their lukewarmness and worldliness. The Holy Spirit was repulsed at this movie. I DO know the Father, and the Holy Spirit in me was very loud at saying "get out now!!!"

In His Grace,
joyce<><

IT MADE MY THINK ABOUT RELIGION
Subject: Dogma
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999
From: James

At first, I was going to write my thoughts on Dogma, but hey, we all know it's a great movie, so enough said about that. I'd like to take a moment to thank you, I've read allot of the reviews of the film on the Dogma page, and the newaskew.com, and so far, you are the first (In a religious community) to give it a good review (Most people gave it their review without actually seeing the film) . I don't give much thought about Religion, but during the drive home from the movie (And the next few days, I thought about the movie, ALLOT, and what it had to say, which I read in an interview with Kevin Smith was exactly what should have happened. Anyway, I just wanted to share my appreciation, that you went in with an open mind, and kept it that way. Two thumbs up to you.

INCREDIBLY PLEASED
Subject: Dogma was great
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999
From: Rob Willis

I was incredibly pleased with this film (I just saw it last night with a friend). From beginning to end, I found it entertaining and thought provoking. Let me say that I am a worship leader in a church and try to be an active witness for Christ. First of all, as a church leader, this kind of movie (whether you are Catholic or not) makes you think twice. How do the people that attend the church I lead feel about it? Do they attend & participate out of a spiritual obligation or is it out of a desire to know God? Are we as leaders facilitating worship and relationships with God and others? bottom line: are we practical? Are we really meeting needs? In this movie, Bethany clearly could do without church, and based upon how she perceived it, I don't blame her. Now, as I try to be an active witness, I find that many people don't know about God, don't really want to be told what to do (as many church influences try to dictate belief and preferences). This movie affirmed the existence of God and Satan; heaven and hell; Christ's deity and death on the cross; the love, patience, and forgiveness of God - to name just a few things! That's a great place to start for someone who knows nothing of God! I wish all my conversations with non-believers would start with these beliefs already established - what a world of difference it would make. Now honestly, I did think the bad language was excessive, but that's me. Many people don't even notice anymore. I would recommend this film to anyone who needs to think outside of "the box" and who is trying to understand our culture. Or to anyone who enjoys a highly entertaining movie with a great script and great actors. (either way you can't lose) I see it as an incredibly powerful tool to present the gospel. And isn't that a great thing?
-Rob Willis
ps - please don't print my e-mail address. Keep up the great work!

LIKED THE MOVIE, NOT THE END
Subject: The Messenger
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999
From:

The movie was great all of the way up until the point where Joan was visited in her cell by Dustin Hoffman. Many parts of the movie were not historically accurate, like the rape of her sister in the beginning or the destruction of her village. All of this never took place. The movie didn't even show her brother who later fought with her. But I still enjoyed the movie, it did well in portraying the life in those times. The props and battle scenes were very realistic. Still, it was made to look like her signs were illusions. They left out the part that she predicted 2 days before that she would be wounded in the battle where an arrow went through her chest. I think that itself is a miracle, she was really shot in the chest with an arrow and they say it went all the way through and stuck out of her back. The odds of surviving a shot like that are almost none, especially in those times with no disinfectants.The movie made it look like it was a sin for her to lead her countrymen to freedom from the English's invasion. I do not want to be misunderstood, I loved the movie, the beautiful Milla Jovovich made an unbelievably great performance. I just did not like the end where it was made to look like she fought a whole war , and gave up her short life just out of revenge for her family being killed, instead of being told to by God.

LEFT ME HANGING
Subject: Joan of Arc reply The Messenger
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999
From: Debbie Griffin
This movie was very inspirational to me, yet I do agree, it left me confused at the end. It really brings out the importance of having your own faith, which means to me not relying on the church to have faith for you. You need to know what you yourself believe in. I believe Jesus to be personal, instead of going to a priest to talk to him for you, although I do respect that, but I feel that in this movie God seemed to leave Joan, and I was expecting him to come back. It seemed to all end in God's silence, when I guess I was expecting him to have the last say in this movie, with continuing on with the great victory. Although I cannot say that perhaps it did not end that way. Maybe it was through this way that it made us think about God's ways, and victory may not always be a happy ever after story. Even though confused I must say the movie still had a great impact. Half way through the movie I was saying "Yes, I want to be the next Joan of Arc!!!" I grew to really admire her, and even though at the end we questioned her like she questioned God, I often wonder how we would be in her shoes! Trials came at her left and right, but they might of given a bigger purpose than what meets the eye. Keep the faith, no matter what doubts and trials come. About the church, well, I believe that Joan pointed out that God is not more personal with the "church" than he can be with us. The "church" in the movie made it clear of the "superiority" they had, but of course Joan's God had a different idea and he made it clear through her. Enough with the focus of traditions and the rules of how close you can be to God. Here nothing seemed to hold Joan back from God until she began to doubt, but of course you can get many different points from this movie. It left you hanging in the end, but I'm sure it could speak to all of us differently, and all in all this movie spoke for itself. It can appear to be simply inspiring, and leaves us wondering "where do we stand?" (Thank you for your time, I am very greatful. You may post this if you like.
Keep up with your great work!)
Sincerely, Debbie Griffin (a teenager who likes your site!)

CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE MESSENGER
Subject: No message from The Messenger
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999
From: Samuel Kelly

I was immensely satisfied to see such a thorough review of "The Messenger", or any movie for that matter, not to mention the review being nearly exactly as I saw the film. Rather than give to you my take on the true story or countless blunders made in the film, I will simply paste in the e-mail correspondence between my freind and myself, with whom I saw the film last night. As you will see, we are both fans of Mel Gibson's take on William Wallace, which had many claims of historical inaccurcies made against it. Unlike The Messenger, those "inaccuracies" in Braveheart were largely irrelevant and hardly arguable. More power to Ron Maxwell in pursuing the finalization of a noble and true film about Joan of Arc.

Our e-mails were as follows:

[from myself to my friend]

I have given that movie so much thought my head is spinning. I too want to judge it on its own merits, and rarely have even thought of Braveheart while contemplating what I saw last night. When I do compare it to Braveheart, it is strictly in the sense that both had the similar elements with which to work (the potential power of the story and the historical background). I don't compare them in story or anything of that sort. One thing is for sure: the more I think of this movie the more I recall of what they really botched. There were times in the film when I was actually thinking about who I would tell to go see this seemingly "neat" film. But none of those better elements were ever fulfilled. Maybe high expectations can give such a bitter after-taste, but I really do believe the majority of my disappointment comes from the fact that there was still so much potential and hope, even two-thirds into the film for a reasonably decent film (even by Braveheart standards), but they couldn't stay the course for such a simple thing (authenticity). I don't feel confused by what each scene meant, but instead that each scene toward the end made a completely different point. I'm somewhat confident in understanding where the writer/director was going with what "confusion" was portraying or insinuating. Yet I remain confused as to what point they were making by doing it that way. It's almost like they didn't try to figure it out themselves, despite trying to give it a direction or two that may have been their sole bias. They tried to leave as much of it up to us, which is a certain take, and I can live with that. However, they didn't even want to clarify what seemed to be their own bias. So I ask why not? What were they afraid of saying? I don't compare the movies. I compare the direction taken by those who created them. Gibson knew what was good about his story and he "said it" that way. (So to speak. Ha-Ha.) Besson doesn't seem to have a solid point of view, or balls, or something. Despite being a much better movie, I recall questioning the same kind of motives, judgements, perspectives, etc. in The Fifth Element.

[my friend's reply]

I just want to say that I concur completely with everything you said. You effectively put my feelings about the movie into words. As you said, I think my main frustration with the movie is that Besson and the writers were either unwilling or unable to really THINK about what they wanted to say, and how they wanted to convey their message. Thus, I walk away feeling unfulfilled, in a sense. In Braveheart, it was evident that every scene and every word had been carefully and diligently thought out. I feel that Besson "gave up" on the ending to this movie--because he felt he had obviously made an incredible movie (despite our objections to it, there's no denying the scope and effort of the film) while Gibson, knowing that he too had made perhaps the best film of all time, saw it through to the very end.
Thanks for your time.
Voila tout!
Sam

GREAT PICTURE OF CHRISTIAN LIFE
Subject: The Messenger -Joan of Arc
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999
From: Shane Fuller

Shane Fuller - I watched Joan of Arc last night and it greatly intrigued me. I think it speaks much to our culture who loves to read their own personal view into the events of life. The scenes with Joan and God are poignant! Joan was shown by God that she read what she wanted into the signs of life. All the events of life that God originated were read by Joan as her call to be a thorn in the flesh to the persecuting English. When in reality, these were not signs for Joan's call to her ideal ministry for God. God brings all this to her attention and lets her know that she did this for her glory. At first, she denies the accusations of God and then she recalls all the events of her battles and realizes they were not the call of God but the call of Joan. God shows her that He never needed her and that she used the different events of her life for her own vengeance and pride. She was not quite as indispensable for God as she had originally thought! She confesses to God all of her wrongs, and then God asks her if she is really ready. The next scene pictures her burning in the flames of heresy!
I believe this to be a great picture of the Christian life. Many of us tell God what His will for our lives is. We take all the events of our life and call them signs from God to, in the end, do what pleases us the most. We are so involved in the daily battles of life that we forget who life is about. In our individualistic society, we become so focused on self that we develop a prideful amnesia that pushes us to forget that we are part of a community that works together for a common cause. We must remember Augustine's admonition: 'Our hearts are restless, till they find their rest in Thee". Until our ultimate desires are to put first the Kingdom of God, all of our earthly kingdoms and dreams will crumble and have a great fall as did Humpty-Dumpty. All the horses and men of this world can never put them together or pick up the broken pieces. God has a way of showing us that we are not quite the "saint" we would imagine ourselves to be. He lets us know constantly that "our hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked". Given the right place, time or person, if left to ourselves, we will fall. But if we confess our sins, God will hear and forgive. He may even test us to see if we are really ready as He did Joan in this film. We must constantly remind ourselves, lest we forget, that the Creator of this universe and the Source of all life does not need us. He may choose to use us to bring glory for Himself, and yet He does not need us to accomplish His purposes.

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