ive seen 12 monkeys 1 time then parts of another. the second time i saw it i notice there are pictures of Nas illmatic cd cover just after the seen with the bum fortune teller and also a picture of biggie smalls notorious big on the walls of the streets. Why was this in the movie or was it? Most of all I noticed in the scene where he ties up the people in store searching for the army of 12 monkeys if you look in the top left corner where there is a red writing or something red while hes moving the file cabinet there appears to be some sort of hanging or floating doll clown. look hard. Explain this to me. Why in the cover of the movie is the eye red???
EYE CATCHING 12 MONKEYS
Subject: 12 monkey
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002
A LOVE STORY THAT BRIDGES TIME
Subject: 12 Monkeys
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000
From: Lowell Herlinger De Colores
WOW, Loved the Movie, it was also a Love Story that bridged time. Interesting, the Biblical reference is. I like it. Ever been on a Walk to Emmaus?, Tres Dias, Via De Cristos, Cursillos? Try it!.
Lowell Herlinger De Colores
12 MONKEYS HAS MESSAGE OF HOPE
October 6, 1999.
The message of hope in the film was that although JC could not change a rather bleak future (apocalypse is nasty business, not everyone gets to go to heaven and those who do, have to endure loads of crap), JC's mission, after all, is to not to prevent it from happening, but to obtain a sample so that a vaccine or treatment (salvation from sin) could be found. The movie deals with the various planes of reality and the future--just because JC serves his fate by dying at the end of the movie doesn't mean the movie has a negative message. You forget that although JC from the future dies, the 8 year-old JC lives on. Also, there is hope that the virus can be treated in the future, as shown in the end when the "insurance" lady (who is the same woman as the scientist from the future, come back to perhaps, salvage JC's mission) has/will succeed. There is a suggestion that she has obtained at least 1 or 2 samples of the red-haired apocalyptic nut's virus (note that when the nut was at the airport, the receptionist listed off about 9 or 10 of his destinations; compare that to the 7 locations JC previously memorized--ergo, there must have been at least 2 of his intended samples missing). Now how you interpret the ending as a religious statement is another matter....
YOU COULD END UP IN ANCIENT EGYPT.
July 25, 1999.
Yes, there's a christian level in 12 Monkeys but it is only the first level there's also a Hebrew and a greek and a Roman level but the best level of all it the egyptian level......the whole thing is an Osiris festival thats why he is sacrificed in the huge temple/airport at the end It's the first of the year and he is what makes the vegetation grow he brings the inundation...she is both hathor and Isis and Nut The father is Atum and Jefri is Khepri and also horus. You have to watch the film lots of times to find the clues he gives you By the way the whisper dude isnt calling him Bob, he's calling him Bab which means gate and also messenger. and in the dream the man isnt yelling Watch it! He's yelling Wadjet Wadjet is the eye of Re the sungod these are only a few of the hundreds of things that are under the surface I started out on the christian level too but after awhile realized it went further down than that...we are at the end of the world in 12 Monkeys but we are also at the beginning again thats why the animals are released the egyptian gods ere animal headed. email me if youre interested in more hieroglyphics help too.
firstname.lastname@example.org Lynn Gibson
My response: Wow! I sure missed a lot. I had no idea! Actually, I am more interested in your cyber name "Auntilynn" You sound like an interesting person to know. Tell me more about yourself. Warmly, David Bruce
A FILM OF HOPE
July 1, 1999.
Although 12 Monkeys could be interpreted as a film of doom (as your excellent article does) or a film of hope (as your correspondent does), I tend to favour the latter view. There is hope at the end with 'insurance' scientist appearing on the plane (presumably sent back from the future to find more about the virus and therefore return to the future to develop an antidote). If we interpret the film in this more positive way, I believe that he analogy of 'J.C.iis even more striki J.C. has saved the world, paying the ultimate redemptive price of his life. He is also left to be continually killed and resurrected through the younger version of himself at the airport. A truly Christ-like sacrifice! --Dr Trystan Hughes, University of Wales, Bangor, UK
June 2, 1999.
I think that the religious interpretation is stretching it a little, but I still really liked the movie. It was thought provoking, well acted, and just plain well done. 12 Monkeys was a very good movie, IMO
A RICH MOVIE THAT PRESENTS A LOT OF THEMES
May 21, 1999.
The biblical theme is not the only mythology to be found in 12 Monkeys. Cole embodies Cassandra (a prophet cursed by Apollo to reveal the future but be disbelieved), Janus (the Roman god of beginnings and endings, comings and goings, and gateways), and the monkey of Eastern mythology (in two roles: one as the Monkey god who travels to India to rescue Buddhist scripture, and as Hanhuman the Hindu god of service). The Pitt character can also be seen in the story behind the ordering of animals in the Chinese Zodiac - the crafty monkey uses the other animals for his own advancement. This is a rich movie and you should present all of the themes.
A LITTLE HUMOR
Yes, I also like the biblical interpretation, but that is the unseen story. It's a very basic movie, with a very basic plot if you watch it carfully. I know at the end it seems weird, but all it is saying is that the virus is going to be stopped. Remember when J.C. was in the car with Stowe? He siad "Those are my notes, when I have enough information, they'll send a scientist back to stop the virus." Well, after he died, and the man with the virus is on the plane, lo and behold, a scientist was beside him! And it was a little ironic that she was into "insurance." So I think that even with all the symbolism, it was at the same time a damn good movie with a simple plot.
"OUTBREAK" AND "12 MONKEYS"
Feb 4, 1999.
I don't particularly accept the religious interpretation you've presented here but I can see what you mean. BTW, the movie "Outbreak" dealt with the Ebola virus -- not AIDS -- and the theory that it might be spread by monkeys. --Maria
My response: Yes, Maria, Ebola. I believe I wrote "AIDS-like" not "AIDS." What I had in mind was that AIDS was also traced to apes.
Jan 4, 1999.
I loved the movie 12 Monkeys, for one it had Brad Pitt in it (oooooh!) and my favourite actor Bruce Willis. Also it had a mystery about it....it took me a few times watching it to understand but i loved it every time!! Jenn